*Warning I've only gone and done yet another wall of text again! This may or may not get read by anyone on here (good god I wouldn't blame anyone for skipping it), but at the very least it's formed the backbone to a video script so it's not a complete waste of my time! (he tells himself)*

This is as much @bareboards2 as yourself, but he already made it clear he wasn't willing to engage on the issue, so you're getting it instead MWAHAHAHHAHA! *coughs*

I don't wish this to come across as over condescending (though I'm sure it will none the less as I'm in one of those moods). But pretty much every (successful) comedy premise operates on the same underlying principle of irony. i.e. there is an expectation or understanding, which is deliberately subverted, and what results is comedy.

In this case, amongst other things we have the understood premises that:
A. rape is a bad, often horrific thing.
B. that there is an established social taboo about praising such behaviour.
C. that there is a section of society inherently opposed to making light of things of which they do not approve (or in a way in which they do not approve)
D. most words and phrases have an expected association and meaning.

What Jim Jefferies (an accomplished and well respected comedies amongst his peers) has done here, is take these commonly understood premises and subverted the audiences normal expectations in order to evoke a sense of irony, from which the audience derives humour and amusement.

A simple joke might take a single such premise and perform a single inversion of our expectation. e.g. my dog has no nose, how does he smell?....terrible!

By subverting our assumed meaning (that the missing nose refers to the dogs implied lack of olfactory senses), the joke creates basic irony by substituting this expected meaning for that of the odour of the dog itself.

This is of course a terrible joke, because it is as simple as a joke could be. It has only one layer of irony and lacks any sense of novelty which, might tip such a terrible joke into working for any other than the very young or simple minded.

We could of course attempt to boost this joke by adding more levels of irony contextually. e.g. a very serious or complex comedian Like say Stuart Lee, could perhaps deliver this joke in a routine and get a laugh by being completely incongruous with his style and past material.

And herein we see the building blocks from which any sophisticated professional comedy routine is built. By layering several different strands or ironic subversion, a good comedian can begin to make a routine more complex and often more than just the sum of its parts to boot.

In this case, Jim is taking the four main premises listed above, layering them and trying to find the sweetest spot of subverted expectation for each. (something which usually takes a great deal of skill and experience at this level)

He mentions the fact that his jokes incite outrage in a certain section of society because this helps to strengthen one of the strands of irony with which he is playing. The fact that he also does so in a boastful tone is itself a subversion, it is understood by the audience that he does not/should not be proud of being merely offensive and as such we have yet another strand of irony thrown into the mix.

You know how better music tends to have more and/or more complex musical things happening at once? It is the same with comedy. The more ironic threads a comedian can juggle around coherently, the more sophisticated and adept their routines could be considered to be.

Naturally as with music there's no accounting for taste as you say. Some people simply can't get past a style or associations of a given musician or song (or painting or whatever).

But dammit Jim is really one of the greats right now. Like him or lump him, the dude is pretty (deceptively) masterful at his craft.

There are at least 4-5 major threads of irony built into this bit and countless other smaller ones besides. He dances around and weaves between them like some sort of comedy ballerina. Every beat has been finely tuned over months of gig's (and years of previous material) to strike the strongest harmonies between these strands and probe for the strongest sense of dissonance in the audience. Not to mention, tone of voice, stance, timing etc.

I think Ahmed is basically terrible too, but it is because the jokes lack much semblance of complexity or nuance. Jeff Dunham's material in general feels extremely simple and seems like it uses shock as a mere crutch, rather than something deeper and more intelligent.

Taste is taste, but I feel one can to a reasonable extent criticise things like the films of Michael Bay, or the music of Justin Beiber for being objectively shallow by breaking down their material into its constituent parts (or lack thereof).

Likewise one could take the music of Wagner and while not enjoying the sound of it, still examine the complexity of it's composition and the clear superiority of skill Wagner had over most of this peers.

I guess what all this boils down to is, Jim seems to me to be clearly very very good at what he does (as he ought after all these years). Reducing his act to mere controversy feels a lot like accusing Black Sabbath of just making noise and using satanic imagery to get attention (or insert other less out of date example here).

The jokes were never at the expense of victims, they are at the expense of our expectations. He makes his own true feelings on the matter abundantly clear towards the end of the section.

As as he says himself his job is to say funny things, not to be a social activist.

I take no issue with you not liking it, but I do take issue with the suggestion that it is somehow two dimensional, or for that matter using controversy cheaply.

Offensive initial premises are some of the most ironically rich in comedy. It's like deliberately choosing the brightest paints when trying to create a striking painting. Why would you avoid the strongest materials because some people (not in your audience) find the contrast too striking?

Eh, much love anyway. This was more an exercise in intellectual masturbation than anything else. Not that I didn't mean all of it sincerely.

Of all the activities I've tried, surfing is the one that just breaks me. I suck at it so much. I would love to be able to surf well, but I don't have the time to dedicate to it.

For me, the worst part of that is not the washing machine. Being mashed and held down is unpleasant, but I'm comfortable enough underwater that it doesn't really bother me.

But it's just so disheartening.

You expend all this energy paddling, and then you get thrown back again and again, and just when you think there's a gap... boom... rogue wave knocks you back again!

Then you finally get out the back and two things will happen:
first the sweetest wave ever comes through just as you're catching your breath and you either skip it from exhaustion or fail to catch it

and then.... nothing for ages. The epic swell that was pounding the crap out of you? Nowhere to be seen and the ocean is flat as.

damn ocean hates me

Sure, I understand the other side of the argument, that a person should be able to do with his body whatever, which I can appreciate, however, we're talking about what rights the fetus has. At a certain point, the fetus has rights, which is why late term abortions are illegal in most places.

A friend of mine once got a girl pregnant, she went to have an abortion. He found out the girl would have had twins. He regretted the decision she made for the rest of his life.

My stepdaughter had a baby out of wedlock. She was pressured to have an abortion by her father.

Yesterday I attended her college graduation, double major, cum laude honors and the sweetest and most beautiful young lady you ever met.

My sister had a baby out of wedlock, she was pressured to get an abortion by the father's family. Now that baby is a physician's assistant, has two beautiful daughters whom my sister loves like nothing else.

So you can go and have an abortion, but what have you denied your own life...

I know a lot of you will just say 'it's her right, blah blah blah', but this world is not enriched by death, only by life.

If you don't think that's the sweetest shit ever get the fuck out of my face

Thank you for the promote Lann! I love this cat too [and her pitbull "Sharkey" is one of the sweetest dogs on YT].

Also, sorry about the Boobsman video. I completely agree with you that it IS assault but it was so outrageous and off the wall that it struck me as funny for some reason. Maybe because it seems they can get away with that kind of behavior in Poland? Who knows, I have an odd sense of humor at times. In my defense, I did tag it a terrible. I'm a bit surprised at the mixed response however, considering some of the things I've seen posted on the Sift

As with all things, it's not necessarily a law change that need to happen. Laws don't drive the zeitgeist, the zeitgeist drive laws (or should).

People need to be dissuaded from wanting to have guns. In Europe, people don't really want a gun, and don't even see a need for one. Sure, there are hunters and they have guns, and sure you can get one if you're in a dangerous area with bears and shit, but actually getting a gun is when you're hunted by mafia or something like that and you're desperate. Why would you ever want to walk around with a gun? I don't really get it.

Perhaps people have a fantasy about being a hero, where they shoot the bad guy. Everyone has that as a kid; most kids also grow up.

There's something deeply satisfying about firing a gun - power at your fingertips. Control. Maybe it's a control thing. People don't like to be out of control, with a gun they always have something to fall back on to control the situation.

Maybe it's a macho thing, although women carry guns too. I don't know the statistic of it, but I would imagine more men do than women. Men are intrinsically destructive while women are creative - it's our nature. We men beat up our rivals to gain access to that sweetest fruit of all: peach. Perhaps it's an extension of power; an penis extension. Don't pull the trigger, squeeze it tenderly. You are the gun; look down the aim at your target and fire.

Maybe there's some brain vs brawn in it. I would wager good money that as intelligence goes up, gun ownership goes down. No statistics to back it up, but I'd love to see if it's true. Brains are taking over everything - it's the decade of the Nerd. Joss Whedon and JJ Abrams could get all the girls and gets all the admiration in the big world, while Dick McKickaball failed to make the team and married Candace the exotic dancer his friends hired for him on his 21st birthday. But at least he could shoot JJ Abrams in the face with his 4½ inch death stick.

Society doesn't really gain much from guns does it?

It has its own market and thus gets people to move money around with someone around to skim the top. dft said this in point 2 as well. This could be done for worse stuff though - snuff porn has a market; heroin has a market.

Mutually Assured Destruction is always a fun acronym to throw around. If everyone does eye for an eye, the world will go blind, I've heard somewhere. Probably a shitty western or something.

Feelings of security? If I have a gun, do I feel safer from the people around me that may or may not also have guns? I would feel safer in my home, I think. If I feared home invasions. Home invasions are a weird thing; very rare in europe to the best of my knowledge, even though we don't have guns. Seems like something that would only happen if there was an enormous disparity between poor and rich, making the poor desperate (and lazy) enough to want to do a home invasion. If Brian the Aryan Man-God makes 10 million billion $$ a year, and Rommel the Dirty Mexican doesn't get anything because he has to pay child support off his social security and also cover his meth addication, then the chance of Rommel doing a home invasion is greater than if Rommel makes half of what Brian does. Maybe we need to raise the floor, instead of raising the ceiling on the extrema of wealth to lose the desire of guns.

Maybe it's all of the factors at once, and we have someone like the NRA pushing everyone to want all of them. I want security. I'm afraid. I have a small dick. Home invasions happen all the time. Schools get shot by crazies, I need to defend myself.

Bang!

Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang!

There... the demons went away. Guns are your friends.

Less than 3.5 days to go to submit entries and it looks as if, dystopiafurtdedyyy is poised to become a winner of this contest by default.

As Homer Simpson once said...."Default? Woo hoo! The two sweetest words in the English language: De-fault! De-fault! De-fault!

That was awesome! The lifting moves were the sweetest.

Vid got me interested so I did some googling;

http://www.robotevents.com/

http://www.robotshop.com/

Are you ready to to Ruuuuummmbaaa!

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Is this godperson on VS? If so, then who? Oooh, I am the sweetest ant to you. YAY! :

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And who was that? I thought I was the only sweet person (actually an ant).

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Nice. I wonder if anyone will notice it in your photo. ;

So, where are MY wings?

In reply to this comment by pumkinandstorm:
Check it out! I grew another wing!! :


Hehe, a very sweet person noticed our conversation and used their fairy powers to make this new avatar for me. Maybe someone will put some wings on you too. ;


It is my fairy godperson. Yes, you are in a totally different category...but the sweetest ant I know.


Oh yes, definitely on VS. You are a very curious ant aren't you? Do you want wings THAT badly??

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And who was that? I thought I was the only sweet person (actually an ant).

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Nice. I wonder if anyone will notice it in your photo. ;

So, where are MY wings?

In reply to this comment by pumkinandstorm:
Check it out! I grew another wing!! :


Hehe, a very sweet person noticed our conversation and used their fairy powers to make this new avatar for me. Maybe someone will put some wings on you too. ;


It is my fairy godperson. Yes, you are in a totally different category...but the sweetest ant I know.

>> ^lurgee:
poor @BoneRemake. one day i hope that little boner will grow up. i sorta like him, but he seems very emotional and childish. he is ok till things do not go his way. i am sorry to hear that the boy gave you a childish remark. you are one of the sweetest meatbags and definitely a pillar of the sift. it pisses me off that some morons have to be so immature. if ya want, just downvote all his shit, i would if i was in you position. <IMG class=smiley src="http://cdn.videosift.com/cdm/emoticon/wink.gif">>> ^pumkinandstorm:
At least you got an upvote from @BoneRemake on yours. All I got from him was a downvote and nasty comment. Perhaps he prefers crickets...or people that aren't named pumkinandstorm?


Great advice @lurgee It won't be too difficult to find pointless crud of his to downvote.

poor @BoneRemake. one day i hope that little boner will grow up. i sorta like him, but he seems very emotional and childish. he is ok till things do not go his way. i am sorry to hear that the boy gave you a childish remark. you are one of the sweetest meatbags and definitely a pillar of the sift. it pisses me off that some morons have to be so immature. if ya want, just downvote all his shit, i would if i was in you position. >> ^pumkinandstorm:

At least you got an upvote from @BoneRemake on yours. All I got from him was a downvote and nasty comment. Perhaps he prefers crickets...or people that aren't named pumkinandstorm?

Damn, see?! Here I am thinkin' alla time that my less-than-clever observations have a kernel of truth embedded in the of manure. Your GF Sluice, sounded to me like she had a sense of humor about herself even though ego wouldn't let her enjoy the "her" from the past's, letter she wrote. Hell, that's a natural response for anyone....(have you ever read some of the shit hatched from the mind behind the pen that others have saved??

I have a few ranting letters that I ain't too proud of that others have saved for ammunition or I-told-you-so's. You have to remind others and yourself that the person who wrote that is dynamic and chaotic....NOT static.

Fundamentally people's personalities/temperaments don't change much after maybe 12 years old and loved ones tend to remember you as you were.

Your GF read a reminder of the little girl who is still lurking there....maybe it scared her or pissed her off-Ego baby, it's a motherfucker!!

Since the inception of the sarcasm button I don't think I recall seeing anyone use it....It's akin to a utensil in the kitchen drawer you see every time you open it, but never use.

Personally, I like to think that I can be the sweetest asshole on the block...cause I KNOW I'll never be able stop with the asshole!!!

(especially if I went completely sober!)

The same child who was so uncooperative and melodramatic before her sleep was probably the sweetest, most well behaved child in the world after her sleep.

I'd like to say that my child would never act like this, but I'd be lying.

>> ^smooman:

this is simultaneously why i want kids and why i dont want kids. hilarious

>> ^budzos:

They left a $4200 (+tax) software delivery (IE they basically delivered a card with a serial # on it) sitting on the floor in the hallway outside my apartment as it was a copy of the local coupon rag.
From the same experience, I'll also never give any more money to:
3VIZ Software (Canadian distributor of Autodesk.. based on my dealings with them I'd be surprised if they're still in business... bunch of fuck-heads they are).
Autodesk (Makers of 3DS MAX... pick terrible distributors and now call me every four months to harass me about costly upgrades and "subscriptions" that I'll never buy.)(also consistently set deadlines for the upgrades and subscriptions that are totally imaginary).
FUCK YOU UPS
FUCK YOU 3VIZ
EAT A FUCKING COCK AUTODESK
>> ^Yogi:
>> ^budzos:
Something in this vein happened with UPS almost three years ago and it still makes me so fucking mad when I think about it... I will never use UPS again. Fuck you UPS you useless cunts.

One time a UPS delivery girl dropped off my package and as I watched her from the window, her not noticing, she walked by my sprinklers which were on and saw one was broken. She bent down and fiddled with it for a good 30 seconds until it was fixed and sprayed correctly, I thought that was the sweetest thing ever.



They must like me because I'm such a pleasant person...staring at them through my window like a creeper.