I don't normally make spaghetti in the bathroom, but when I do, it's like this.

Hey now, the boy was axin' for someone to mash his matches up with all that, stepping sideways-with those hospital-thin shoulder blades! That scowly-boy need some steroid sammies and a large order of smiles-

*his trunks are held up sandwich-board style-if you look really close there's flesh-colored spaghetti-straps :0

>> ^Asmo:
I don't need an argument to disprove god because no one has ever come up with a rigorous argument and evidence to prove he exists in the first place...

It's not that you don't need one, it's that there aren't any. There are plenty of logical arguments for the existence of God, and evidence that He created the Universe. If you're like every other atheist, you will dismiss them all out of hand and demand a video tape.

In the end, no one can prove Gods existence to you. The truth is, only God can reveal Himself to you. He told us how to find Him, but you have to want to find Him. If you actually wanted to know the truth, you would find Him. He is knocking on your door, the question is whether you will you let Him in.

>> ^Asmo:
For instance, if I claimed the flying spaghetti monster was the ultimate deity in the universe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster), you would feel absolutely no need to seriously debate the point because, to you, it would be sheer nonsense. The same if I claimed the force existed, or worshipped ancient Norse or Greek gods. You would dismiss it out of hand because you believe something to the exclusion of everything else.

I would certainly claim that pulling a deity out of your hat is nonsense. I didn't pull Jesus Christ out of a hat; He is a real person, who claimed He is Gods only Son, which God proved by raising Him from the dead.

>> ^Asmo:
Similarly, an ancient book and a crowd of gullible people willing to believe it aren't enough evidence to get me to bother to waste my time disproving it.

Have you ever read the bible?

>> ^Asmo:
As for the rambling diatribe after where you climb up on your cross and proclaim your humbleness for everyone to see, you have more in common with the pharisees than you may wish to admit. They also proclaimed loudly and proudly about all their good works no? Jesus didn't have much kind to say about those hypocrites, I doubt he'd feel any better (if he exists) about your intolerant proselytising...


I was simply responding to fletch, who was questioning my motives, and I gave an honest answer. It wasn't an effort to earn some kind of personal acclaim, as if any would be given. All I expected from it was personal attacks. As far as preaching the word goes, that is what He commanded me to do. Neither did Jesus pull any punches as to what the truth is, and He specifically warned us not to do that. When you compromise truth, it is no longer truth.

I don't need an argument to disprove god because no one has ever come up with a rigorous argument and evidence to prove he exists in the first place...

For instance, if I claimed the flying spaghetti monster was the ultimate deity in the universe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster), you would feel absolutely no need to seriously debate the point because, to you, it would be sheer nonsense. The same if I claimed the force existed, or worshipped ancient Norse or Greek gods. You would dismiss it out of hand because you believe something to the exclusion of everything else.

Similarly, an ancient book and a crowd of gullible people willing to believe it aren't enough evidence to get me to bother to waste my time disproving it.

As for the rambling diatribe after where you climb up on your cross and proclaim your humbleness for everyone to see, you have more in common with the pharisees than you may wish to admit. They also proclaimed loudly and proudly about all their good works no? Jesus didn't have much kind to say about those hypocrites, I doubt he'd feel any better (if he exists) about your intolerant proselytising...


>> ^shinyblurry:
You could disprove the idea of God if it were logically inconsistant. I challenge you to come up with an argument.
You think I am here for me, but I am not. I am here because of Jesus, and because of you. I care about you enough to take all of your insults and condescension so I can have a chance to tell you how much God loves you. My only motive here, and in everything else in my life, is to serve the will of God. I haven't always done that, but in any case, it's not about me; my life is not my own; it belongs to Him.

@ SpaceGirlSpiff, great sift btw.

@ Shinyblurry
Disclaimer: your quotes of my post say 'A10anis said'. Wouldn't be good for A10anis to get flak for any of my comments/opinions.
I didn't properly frame-quote you again this time because i couldn't be bothered trying to separate your quotes from mine, but your response was much more respectable imo

Regardless of what your point meant to be, what your hypothetical story states is to act on another persons unverified word, that is not rated as trust worthy by past events. People aren't likely to do this on any other subject, because their reasoning will interject and a request for evidence will be made.
E.g. kill that women because she's a witch.
In this case you're likely (i hope) to either want proof beyond reasonable doubt prior to acting, or will disregard the request. For me, same goes for other extreme cases like the idea of God existing or any God being the correct one.

I didn't say pride had no affect. Your statement was that pride was the 'only' thing stopping A10anis, i disagreed and outlined a few other things stopping me personally. For the record, my bio states "Proud to be an atheist". There's pride alright, a fair bit of it, but it doesn't start, dominate nor end the subject for me.

Quote "Since there is no empirical evidence for or against Gods existence, how do you calculate how likely or unlikely His existence is?"
1. Firstly, although humans are still learning about many subjects and haven't yet fully explained everything, we've done a remarkably good job so far over the past 400 years, and are at a stage where we don't need Gods in order to explain things and are content with mysteries over magic while we figure things out.
2. Because there's no evidence, I leave it to those who make the incredible claim to prove it. 'Spaghetti monster' argument, onus is on the claimer for proof.
3. I also look at the size of the universe vs the size of the claimed favorite species and see it as an illogical waste of effort. It's like building the entire earth for a few ants that will exist for a few minutes.
4. But my favorite is the psychology of it. Leaving this out because I would write a novel and loose my weekend in the process.

Re the sun comment, I've read a few religious books as i was walking away from the whole concept, some cover to cover, others skimmed through them, didn't like the ideas of how horrible stories were passed off as 'good' because of a belief in God.
But now days I do take most statements like my sun one from net searches, and yes, you're right, the book doesn't say it directly. But it not far off seems to imply it a few times, at least enough for the head of the Catholic church to have gotten behind the idea for a decent period of time.

Original sources? No sorry (had a bit of a search but lost interest), I'll give you this link instead, review it if you care. Reason being, if my statement turned out to be wrong, I'd accept it quick smart as i don't actually care whether Jesus was like others before him or not, and if i was right, again wouldn't care but also i doubt it would have much impact (a general statement re believers). I made the comment because from what i have read previously it seemed plausible.
http://jdstone.org/cr/files/mithraschristianity.html

Investigated Christ? Bits and pieces, but not a complete investigation by any means. The guy either died a long time ago or never existed. So I'm at a bit of a disadvantage and lacking a devoted level of interest to go balls out on the research. I settle for the notion that we're able to come up with plausible concepts and explanations without involving a God.

Quote: "I would suggest it is the distorted lens through which you see God that informs your negative opinion of Him."
I agree, if by distorted you mean 'different' to your lens.

LOL! Thanks I never saw that one before!

In reply to this comment by oritteropo:
This one reminded me of you. Not sure why
http://videosift.com/video/Flying-Spaghetti-Monster-Invades-Missouri
-State

This one reminded me of you. Not sure why
http://videosift.com/video/Flying-Spaghetti-Monster-Invades-Missouri-State

Give me evidence that Aliens don't live on the moon.
Give me evidence that The Flying Spaghetti Monster isn't real.
Give me evidence that the Greek Gods don't exist
Give me evidence that Cthulhu doesn't exist
Give me evidence that aliens don't exist
Give me evidence that ghosts don't exist
Give me evidence that vampires don't exist
Give me evidence that werewolves don't exist
Give me evidence that entire civilizations of dwarves don't live deep in the earth hidden from mankind
Give me evidence that dragons don't exist
Give me evidence that all other deities don't exist

Wow, if you can't disprove them all, they must all be real. Earth is starting to look very complicated.

The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster demands blood from the YouTubes as Vengeance for it's insolence!!!

EDIT: I mean Meat Sauce!

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I think he had a bit too much wine with his spaghetti.

So what's he really going to have? Tacos or spaghetti? Fuckin flip-flopper.

27 minutes to go, I am going to bed.

A quick shower and sleep.

Nice talking to you all, hope the spaghetti monster treats you well.

The hovering invisible anus of punishment should be part of the flying spaghetti monster mythos.