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A mask is an IQ test

newtboy says...

They stop most of the droplets of spittle you, and everyone else, spews constantly. Sneezing sprays the most, but just speaking spreads them way more than the 6 ft suggested.
If every American had actually quarantined themselves and worn a mask in public, this pandemic would be all but over in America, just like it is in most other countries besides Brazil who followed our lead, not still rising fast and still in stage one.

vil said:

I was extremely suspicious about the effectiveness of simple masks and still am. They do stop you from sneezing on other people, obviously.

The biggest effect seems to be psychological - once the majority of people agree to wear masks that means they have taken control of the situation and are willing to do something about it, be responsible.

Voting by Mail: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

newtboy says...

14 states having record high numbers of infected and hospitalizations now. Not going away, it's getting worse, and America knows it.

Recent in person elections have been unmitigated disasters...in republican led states before you knee jerk and blame democrats.

Still waiting for these known stories of Democrats cheating. Come on, don't you want to tell us all about those bad bad people? Yeah...thought not.

Republicans have introduced vote by mail in many states, no dems are crying foul. Apology?
Only republicans are crying foul...and only about the democratically led states that want to prepare for a near certain quarantined election since the "open now" crowd has caused a second infection wave already and will likely cause a third and fourth. Republicans want to delay those preparations as much as possible to minimize the vote in those states or even just invalidate them altogether. This is not a secret.

Universal vote by mail has worked fine without any such issues for Washington, Oregon, Utah, Hawaii, and Colorado for decades. Stop folding paper tigers.

bobknight33 said:

People are out and about, going back to work and rioting. In another month this may be a distant fear that never occurred.

The POTUS election is the Superbowl of voting. Every rule and nuance will be debated and fought to the Nth degree. There are know stories of Dems cheating and also Reps cheating.

If Reps introduced Vote by mail then Dems would cry fowl.

My biggest fear is another hanging chad type issue. This time would be is the circle filled in all the way. Or used a pencil instead of required ink or you sign you name but is different on you voting card ie you signed voting card with full middle name but mail in ballot only singed with middle initial.

IF vote by mail is used then no gray area of debate should be allowed. Its filled completely correct or voided. No side will allow this. Hence this is be another hanging chad election which Trump will still win and another reason for Dems to claim fraud.





Truth of the matter Trump is the best Democrat and best Republican. No one really likes him but shit gets done.

IF Hillary was in office and wanted to push a 3 Trillion Covid aid bill Reps would bitch and moan. Trump pushed the aid and Reps fell in line and Dems added non related goodies. Every one won and lost at the same time.

Lawyer's Reaction to Carnage at Lafayette Square

newtboy says...

You better hope Biden is better than Trump or you're going to see the national guard in your town looking to shoot you and your family in the face.

So dumb, Bobby, so short sighted, anti American, and just dumb. I get you're upset that Trump has less chance in November every single day, starting out behind and sprinting to the bottom....it's made you choose delusion over any semblance of reality....not that that's a big change.

Trump has driven us into bankruptcy, a quarantine his slow and indecisive actions caused and extended that will have to be repeated because he invited his people to ignore it, go to work even sick, and to violently protest against them (like the armed invasion of the governor's mansion and burning him in effigy on the porch), now exacerbating civil unrest he fomented by telling police to be more brutal, hurt suspects physically whenever possible.
Look how well he's done at "leading". So well, we are on the verge of civil war.

What's his approval today? >35%? How many swing states is he even within the margin of error against Biden? None today.

Waiting for your second red tsunami with bells on, this one's poised to wash away even more human garbage than the last.

bobknight33 said:

MEGA 2020

Trump is right in this matter.

Covid 19-A Fireside Chat

newtboy says...

Now that I've answered your question, WHY did REPUBLICANS in PHILADELPHIA KNOWINGLY EXPOSE the ENTIRE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES to COVID 19 then HIDE it so the now exposed representatives could go home and EXPOSE their families?
They hid their members positive test and hid the fact that some republican members were notified and quarantined because of their exposure to him, but not democrats....for well over a week, only reluctantly admitting it when a reporter uncovered the cover up?

WHY Bob...tell me why.

bobknight33 said:

42% of all COVID-19 deaths are taking place in nursing homes that house 0.62% of the U.S. population.

WHY did 4 Democrat GOVS PUSH COVID-19 INFECTED PATIENTS INTO SAFE ? NURSING HOMES?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2020/05/26/nursing-homes-assisted-living-facilities-0-6-of-the-u-s-population-43-of-u-s-covid-19-deaths/#65
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Covid 19-A Fireside Chat

newtboy says...

Why? I doubt you want an honest answer, but here's one anyway.

Because the Fed refused to help states in crisis and, to free up desperately needed hospital beds for those in immediate dire need of hospitalization, some infected patients who were not showing symptoms or in need of hospitalization were discharged to facilities where they could receive routine care outside the hospital.
Had this not been done, there would have been a massive shortage in hospital beds, and a corresponding jump in deaths across the board. It would have been smart to quarantine them separately like California did in many cases, at least until we were sure they were no longer infectious, but since American testing still gives 50% false negatives, that's impossible.
Because most nursing homes utterly failed to follow guidelines for properly quarantining these patients, and because the virus targets exactly the same people who live in nursing homes, elderly with health issues, and because the outbreak began in nursing homes and spread among them while Trump insisted there was no danger, it's less dangerous than the flu, there's no need to change behavior and we won't ever have over 15 cases, they were going to be a major problem.

Those were their only options given the federal government's near total lack of action, keep them in the hospital and deny other patients or send them "home" to be quarantined. Neither was a good option, both were certain to end in increased deaths.


If, as I and others suggested in January, we used the military to build temporary hospitals for covid only like China had already done and instituted social distancing, we would have <10% of the cases we've had and might be safe to relax. Instead we did nothing for months based on Trump's ignorant stupidity and his narcissistic insistence that he knows more about everything than educated career professionals, this cost at least 90000 American lives and rising, along with the decimation of the economy, the explosion of the deficit and debt, and at best a recession if not depression that could have been avoided.

bobknight33 said:

42% of all COVID-19 deaths are taking place in nursing homes that house 0.62% of the U.S. population.

WHY did 4 Democrat GOVS PUSH COVID-19 INFECTED PATIENTS INTO SAFE ? NURSING HOMES?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2020/05/26/nursing-homes-assisted-living-facilities-0-6-of-the-u-s-population-43-of-u-s-covid-19-deaths/#65
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Trump Walks Away After Being Challenged on Virus Testing

newtboy says...

Sure, because Obama never once took a question from any reporters or from right wing media...remember them, those non reporters who would repeatedly ask about his birth certificate being fake, or Benghazzi because then every single American life lost from a lack of foresight was reason for removal and prison unlike now when 80000 dead at Trump's tiny feet is a win in their eyes and not the president's responsibility at all, or lies about the ACA they knew were lies (death panels), etc.

Trump should know exactly how to deal with Incessant bashing , second guessing of every move, decision over last 3 years... even outright lies designed to make his presidency illegitimate, that's exactly what Trump was doing 3 years into Obama's administration. If you can't take it, don't dish it out snowflakes.

Trump failed at leadership at every turn here, from ignoring the danger for months until public outcry finally got some minimal actions, clearly too late and weak actions like halting only some Chinese from the quarantine zone but letting 40000 people from the area in without testing or tracing or quarantine. From continuing to facilitate shipping American PPE to China and elsewhere through March and maybe later, long after there were massive shortages here, to ignoring American manufacturers who in early February were offering to ramp up production and charge regular price, not a 1000% markup like Trump's federal distributors do, from absolute denial of the problem to debunked conspiracy theories that barely mask the underlying racism featured in this latest attempt to shirk any responsibility for his administration's failures that cost 80000+ American lives...the buck never once stops with Trump in his mind, the direct opposite of being presidential. *facepalm

If nothing is your responsibility or fault, you're far too impotent to fix anything. That's Trump.

Trump is a racist coward who can't answer even softball questions from Fox sycophants without looking stupid and naive. If you don't have the backbone or intelligence to answer basic factual questions with calm civility, you don't belong in ANY public office, much less the highest one.

bobknight33 said:

Why does Trump even bother with media. Incessant bashing , second guessing of every move, decision over last 3 years. Watch the full clip. Trump is right to walk away.

Anderson Cooper Struggles With Las Vegas Mayor's Logic

newtboy says...

1) Do you see protesters practicing social distancing? Hint, they aren't, because the virus is a liberal hoax to bring down Trump. So moronic, but fine as long as they're only infecting each other. Open businesses and they'll restart the outbreaks and restart the clock on quarantine, wasting all the gains of the last 6 weeks.

2) open or not you'll have no tourists. Tourism is on hold for the moment, and large gatherings too. Casinos would have to rebuild themselves first, they are designed to make social distancing impossible. If no tourists guarantees failure, they Damn well better prepare for failure, because there are no tourists.

3) if they go to work and force a second, longer, more strict quarantine, all that happens anyway plus a few tens of thousands more dead.

4) agreed, and the black and white choice made solely on the basis of improving the economy must ignore the obvious health risks that themselves threaten the economy further. Opening early sets us back months, back to the start of stay at home orders, back to before the economic crash and massive losses, but without first restoring the market or economy. Do you think the economy can handle another crash? Because that's what you'll get if Trump and Trumpsters open before the minimal guidelines have been met....two weeks of declining infections and deaths. Those are Trump's guidelines, probably insufficient, but better than the "we'll be the control group in a pandemic experiment....and better than Trump himself who abandoned his own recommendations days after releasing them and now supports protesters. *facepalm

bobknight33 said:

If you open, even with limited capacity, social distancing you may stay afloat.

If you don't open you will have ZERO tourist. That guarantees failure of business, city, county and the state.



If the employees stay home they will run out of $, go broke, loose the house and car and the job that let them keep it.

Seeing thing as a black and white choice is not allays a good thing. And this is not one of them.

60 Minutes Accepts Trump Team's Challenge

Drachen_Jager jokingly says...

Hey, great idea!

Let's monitor everyone with cameras all the time and flag them for inappropriate social distancing (among other things). Those who earn demerits become ineligible for certain jobs and means of transportation, while those who report them can earn promotions.

Then let's jail doctors or anyone else who speak out against the failures of the government, weld bars over the doors of infected households so they can't get out, and force hard quarantines on areas experiencing an outbreak enforced by deadly measures.

I'm sure once it's all over, Trump would gladly give up his newfound absolute power over the citizenry of the United States.

greatgooglymoogly said:

So H1N1 could have "been the big one" yet there were no shutdowns or travel restrictions. They just got lucky that time. Supply stockpiles can only do so much, which is admittedly more than Trump did.

Maybe we can learn lessons from China. They managed to avoid large outbreaks in Beijing and Shanghai, seems like the virus went directly from Wuhan to the rest of the world.

60 Minutes Accepts Trump Team's Challenge

newtboy says...

I'll just leave this light reading here....

Pandemic (H1N1) 2009 influenza emerged in Mexico in March 2009 and by June 10 had rapidly spread to 74 countries (1,2). Nonpharmaceutical interventions for pandemic influenza at the community level were recommended by the World Health Organization before and during the pandemic (3,4). One such nonpharmaceutical intervention was quarantine of contacts of persons with confirmed cases. A key question in closed settings (e.g., military barracks) was how to prevent a secondary outbreak of influenza among those quarantined.

The first identified case of pandemic (H1N1) 2009 in mainland People’s Republic of China was imported from the United States and reported on May 11, 2009 (5). On May 29, the Chinese Ministry of Health required that each confirmed case-patient and each contact be isolated and quarantined in 1 separate room to contain transmission of the virus

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/16/8/09-1787_article

https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/guidance/exclusion.htm

There weren't shutdowns because H1N1 wasn't spread before symptoms show, wasn't as easily spread, and wasn't 1/10 as deadly. By denying travel to and quarantining the visibly sick, it was relatively easy to stop the spread. There were many travel restrictions including travel bans, but they were mostly voluntarily. There was screening of passengers and sick ones were denied travel. Also, thanks to preparations, a vaccine only took months to create.
Yes, we got lucky, but we certainly didn't JUST get lucky, we took action AND got lucky.

greatgooglymoogly said:

So H1N1 could have "been the big one" yet there were no shutdowns or travel restrictions. They just got lucky that time. Supply stockpiles can only do so much, which is admittedly more than Trump did.

Maybe we can learn lessons from China. They managed to avoid large outbreaks in Beijing and Shanghai, seems like the virus went directly from Wuhan to the rest of the world.

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Congratulations. By covering Trump's little daily propaganda junkets, he has effectively turned major media outlets into fake news outlets.

Of course, he is the fake news source, but by giving him air time they spread his utter bullshit lies and fake excuses for his lack of action in an emergency...6 weeks of inactivity after his all too late partial travel ban against Chinese (but not Americans coming from China or their families) that wasn't enacted for a full week after China went on full quarantine and was rapidly building huge temporary hospitals, Jan 23. By then there was no longer any question about the seriousness or speed of the viral outbreak, it was so bad China quit pretending there's nothing to see and acted. China waited almost 4 weeks to take meaningful actions and take it seriously, Trump waited another 6 after that.

So yep, fake news, all thanks to covering our fake "president".

Tom Hanks At-Home Quarantine Monologue - SNL

eric3579 says...

My favorite skit from SNLs quarantined at home show..

Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg (Kate McKinnon) invites people to join her workout at home.

Saluting The Heros Of The Pandumbic

JiggaJonson says...

You hear that? @bobknight33

Bought us time so he could sit around and say "it'll just go away like a miracle" and not make any preparations otherwise.

Think about that when your friends and loved ones are coughing up blood gasping for air. I have 2 students who have lost parents now and I can't be of much solace without being able to come back to school.

MAGA - WHAT A FUCKING JOKE - yeah Make America Great Again. I'll remember how great he's made America every time I have to drive somewhere and look at the vacant hell-scape of quarantine where everyone is afraid to breathe the fucking air outside.

here's what he did with that "time he bought us"
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-04-02/coronavirus-trump-pandemic-program-viruses-detection

Finally a Doctor on the News Talking Fucking Sense

newtboy says...

Not month old news to Trump or Republican governors. Sure, he was told three months ago in intelligence briefings and repeatedly daily since then, but he seems to just now be learning it, just like his lackey governors who "found out yesterday".

Because some states aren't quarantining and interstate travel isn't restricted, you need to stay home 3 weeks AFTER the entire country finally quarantines, otherwise it's all for nothing and the outbreak will restart with a vengeance and that 100000-250000 dead will become 6000000+-.

bobknight33 said:

Month old news.

Stay the F home for 2 / 3 weeks.

Out for food, meds or gas.

I need to go to Hospitals, clinics for service. Ghost towns 95% wearing masks.



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