>> ^shagen454:

Fuck yeah! Autechre is great too! My favorite electronic records are probably by Boards of Canada and a couple of records by Oval and probably more obviously, Kraftwerk and more recently Flying Lotus. Man, Flying Lotus is unbelievable.


I love Boards. New album plz!!!!

Fuck yeah! Autechre is great too! My favorite electronic records are probably by Boards of Canada and a couple of records by Oval and probably more obviously, Kraftwerk and more recently Flying Lotus. Man, Flying Lotus is unbelievable.

>> ^Encumberance:

Anyone who has to get a Top Secret security clearance knows how much info they demand. Then the FBI follows up on that info with interviews and fact checking. I could not get a clearance if I lied about one thing. The president is put under a microscope by the security agencies of the US. He would not even be allowed near the oval office if he did not check out. I mean really.


but youre forgetting the FBI NSA and the CIA are all in on it! ANARCHY ANARCHY

Anyone who has to get a Top Secret security clearance knows how much info they demand. Then the FBI follows up on that info with interviews and fact checking. I could not get a clearance if I lied about one thing. The president is put under a microscope by the security agencies of the US. He would not even be allowed near the oval office if he did not check out. I mean really.

Christians have boring artifacts. If he picked a more controversial religion he could have giant pentagram carpets installed across the entire center of the oval office.

Despite his wacky ideas of allowing a nuclear iran and letting red china encircle the globe without resistance, Dr. Paul is a tad closer to reality on the evils of big government and disastrous taxing and spending. For reference, witness the current goofus who fooled his way into the Oval Office.

>> ^NetRunner:

Keep in mind that whenever Ron Paul talks about economics, he's operating on theories that are just as obsolete and debunked as ether, and will tell you that relativity is "a myth."
politics

Religion? Obama only worships Obama.

I will vote for anyone opposing him that has a chance of winning to get his cancer out of the Oval Office, including Jesus-Santorum-Romneymohammed, Ricky Schroder, Don King or a motherfooking cinder block.

Never mind the man's cloaked and mainstream-media-hidden personal history. His record of failure as President of these United States is enough.

>> ^longde:

How do you know that people don't know about Tianamen? Of course they do; it was a nationwide protest! But I think for some kids to have an in depth opinion of something that happened so long ago is like asking me (born in the early 70s) about Kent State. Yeah, I know something happened; but I wouldn't be able to really expound upon it.
There are many current issues that have prompted Chinese citizens to protest against their government, with results. Two examples. People in China protest against the government all the time. Of course the state run media suppresses things. But with the internet and cell phone technology, it's like trying to plug up the ocean. When the Chinese gov't starts to hire Fox News consultants, then I will really worry.
China vetoing a Security Council proclamation is not the same as China oppressing Syrians. C'mon.
Lastly, these students are arrogantly giving a lesson. They are giving their opinions and insights in the spirit of dialogue.
>> ^njjh201:
I'm not American, but as long as China's government forbids its children from learning about a massacre that took place in the centre of their own capital city little more than 20 years ago, in the midst of a pro-democracy protest of the sort that China is now suppressing in Syria, I'll take no lessons from their teenagers.
I'm astounded by how irrelevant you think such recent history is. Let's see one of these kids have the ambition to make China a country where people get to choose their own destiny and government. Let's see how long they're still free to talk to journalists then. The USA has a Nobel peace prize winner in the Oval Office. China threw theirs in jail.



I think you are missing the point behind asking about Tiananmen. It's not their lack of knowledge, but rather the lack of freedom to speak about it. If you plan to continue living in China and climbing the ladder, appearing on camera speaking against the Tiananmen massacre is risky and not a particularly wise move.

If you want a current example ask about Taiwanese independence and you'll find most of the sympathy and support for non-intervention suddenly evaporating.

Don't dismiss the veto of the Syrian motion so lightly either. There is no question that unarmed civilians in Syria are being killed by the Syrian military. The Arab league itself was the one asking for the UN motion that China and Russia vetoed. Complaining about the damage FOX does is great, but at least be even handed enough to recognize the direct damage also done by vetoing the Syrian motion...

How do you know that people don't know about Tianamen? Of course they do; it was a nationwide protest! But I think for some kids to have an in depth opinion of something that happened so long ago is like asking me (born in the early 70s) about Kent State. Yeah, I know something happened; but I wouldn't be able to really expound upon it.

There are many current issues that have prompted Chinese citizens to protest against their government, with results. Two examples. People in China protest against the government all the time. Of course the state run media suppresses things. But with the internet and cell phone technology, it's like trying to plug up the ocean. When the Chinese gov't starts to hire Fox News consultants, then I will really worry.

China vetoing a Security Council proclamation is not the same as China oppressing Syrians. C'mon.

Lastly, these students are not arrogantly giving a lesson. They are giving their opinions and insights in the spirit of dialogue.

>> ^njjh201:

I'm not American, but as long as China's government forbids its children from learning about a massacre that took place in the centre of their own capital city little more than 20 years ago, in the midst of a pro-democracy protest of the sort that China is now suppressing in Syria, I'll take no lessons from their teenagers.
I'm astounded by how irrelevant you think such recent history is. Let's see one of these kids have the ambition to make China a country where people get to choose their own destiny and government. Let's see how long they're still free to talk to journalists then. The USA has a Nobel peace prize winner in the Oval Office. China threw theirs in jail.

that whole Monica debacle was a political canard, and the democrats (and many republicans) wish they could have Clinton back for a third term.

>> ^lantern53:

Yeah Newt sucks.
BTW, where was ole Cenkie when Clinton was banging Monica in the Oval Office?

>> ^lantern53:

BTW, where was ole Cenkie when Clinton was banging Monica in the Oval Office?


Working for and voting for Republicans.

Yeah Newt sucks.

BTW, where was ole Cenkie when Clinton was banging Monica in the Oval Office?

I don't disagree that the OWS movement isn't going to do a whole lot immediately as far as policy and correcting the disparity. I hung out at an OWS function in my town today and wrote what i think it's impact could/should/might/would love to see it be in a sift talk post. go read it if you're interested. i'm not whoring, i just would love to have the discussion, but im not going to have it two places. >> ^NetRunner:

>> ^Sarzy:
I don't know -- I think their heart is in the right place, but I guess I just question the efficacy of what the OWS people are doing on a practical level. Even if they somehow succeed in getting tighter regulations on Wall Street, is that really going to do much to to fix the whole 99 vs 1 percent income disparity? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that here in Canada, we don't have the same level of unchecked financial shenanigans as you do over there, which is why we weren't hit quite as hard by the recent downturn. But our income disparity is still pretty much as bad as what it is in the States. I don't think anything short of a massive political and cultural overhaul will fix that disparity to any meaningful degree, and obviously that's not going to happen.
But maybe I have OWS all wrong -- I'll admit that I'm not the most informed guy ever.

Oh, I have the same doubts about how well this will work, but up until now the only public "protest" we've seen has been a bunch of grumpy old men demonstrating against having a Democrat in the White House having a black man in the Oval office government regulation of banks, taxes being too high on the top 1%, and the possibility that we might get some sort of national health care overhaul.
In other words, all the people getting mad and going out on the streets lately have been pro-disparity people.
At least now we have people protesting against the right problem. And these people aren't just protesting for a single day and going home, they're bringing their sleeping bags and parking there for the duration. That seems to me like a crucial first step towards getting anything fixed.
Maybe I'm naive to be inspired by it, but it's the first reason I've had in a while to feel hopeful about the future.

>> ^Sarzy:

I don't know -- I think their heart is in the right place, but I guess I just question the efficacy of what the OWS people are doing on a practical level. Even if they somehow succeed in getting tighter regulations on Wall Street, is that really going to do much to to fix the whole 99 vs 1 percent income disparity? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that here in Canada, we don't have the same level of unchecked financial shenanigans as you do over there, which is why we weren't hit quite as hard by the recent downturn. But our income disparity is still pretty much as bad as what it is in the States. I don't think anything short of a massive political and cultural overhaul will fix that disparity to any meaningful degree, and obviously that's not going to happen.
But maybe I have OWS all wrong -- I'll admit that I'm not the most informed guy ever.


Oh, I have the same doubts about how well this will work, but up until now the only public "protest" we've seen has been a bunch of grumpy old men demonstrating against having a Democrat in the White House having a black man in the Oval office government regulation of banks, taxes being too high on the top 1%, and the possibility that we might get some sort of national health care overhaul.

In other words, all the people getting mad and going out on the streets lately have been pro-disparity people.

At least now we have people protesting against the right problem. And these people aren't just protesting for a single day and going home, they're bringing their sleeping bags and parking there for the duration. That seems to me like a crucial first step towards getting anything fixed.

Maybe I'm naive to be inspired by it, but it's the first reason I've had in a while to feel hopeful about the future.

Nothing happens in a vacuum and only a fool expects any human to hang up his beliefs entirely when doing a job, but the left is so used to the Kenyawaiian's everyday overstepping his authority, they worry others in the Oval Office may do so. 'President Cain' cannot by himself repeal anything.

And DOMA is not unconstitutional.

>> ^bareboards2:

Oh, I heard it. And I snorted in disbelief and derision.
Didn't you just hear him say that he would reinstate DADT? So his religious viewpoint is not divorced from his potential actions as a president. DOMA would not be repealed under his watch, and that is failing on constitutional grounds already.
So yeah. We heard it. We laughed.
>> ^quantumushroom:
BTW did anyone but me listen to the end of the vid when Cain stated his personal beliefs are overridden by the limiting powers of the Constitution?