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Michael Greger, MD - The Cure for Heart Disease

silvercord says...

No voodoo involved, friend. I have learned that the human body has an amazing capacity to heal given the right environment. I did away with processed foods, made sure the bulk of my diet was plant-based, and supplemented as necessary. It's not homeopathy. It's science. My friend Richard raised a healthy family and taught me to be healthy myself. I realized that my poor health was a result of bad dietary choices and that I didn't have to be a slave to medication for the rest of my life.

If you want to see some remarkable turn-arounds, just Google some of the names I mentioned above and read what is taking place in the medical field as it pertains to diet. There is a revolution afoot.

The problem is this: it is difficult to change a lifestyle after many years of physical and mental investment. So, people don't want to do it. When I asked my Dr. if anyone ever gets off the blood pressure medication once he puts them on, he said, "No, they don't want to work that hard." And that, in a nutshell, is why our hospitals are full of people who have diet related illnesses. People are trapped in their bad decisions. They are sick from eating the stuff they eat, they go to the doctors to get medicine to suppress the symptoms so they can go back out and continue to eat the very thing that got them sick in the first place.

OK, I've said too much already. Like I said above, I don't like talking about this publicly because it descends into "well, that's anecdotal," or "where are the stats?" With a bit of research you find that the stats are there and I am just one of many examples of living proof.

Peace.

schlub said:

It's these sorts of claims that kill your and your friend's credibility. This is when red flags go up. Maybe what you and he say are true but, talking like that, you put it on the same level as homeopathy and Q-ray bracelets.

Michael Greger, MD - The Cure for Heart Disease

schlub says...

It's these sorts of claims that kill your and your friend's credibility. This is when red flags go up. Maybe what you and he say are true but, talking like that, you put it on the same level as homeopathy and Q-ray bracelets.

silvercord said:

He is a nutritionist and he and his 10 children have NEVER been to a doctor. (He claims it is because he didn't poison his family with sugar and white flour among other processed foods). Through natural foods and supplements, he healed me.

Home Remedies with Dr. Berger

Home Remedies with Dr. Berger

Neil DeGrasse Tyson on Big Think

Sepacore says...

With so many agreeable comments, i taught myself how to quote properly * pats himself on the back *

>> ^ChaosEngine:
If Yahweh showed up tomorrow, I'd start looking to form a resistance.
^ I'm in and have a bunch of analytical minded friends who would be gearing up before they even heard the word 'resistance'.

>> ^ChaosEngine:
pineapple on pizza is an unholy abomination
^ /agree re pineapple. It belongs on my pizza's as much as i belong in churches, it ruins the experience.

>> ^ChaosEngine:

There is another position on this: anti-theist. Most strongly evinced by Christopher Hitchens.

>> ^volumptuous:

Richard Dawkins' approach to this is the term "non-theist".

^ The terms 'Anti-Theist' and 'Non-Theist' are more sensible/respectable than 'Atheist' imo (more so after hearing Dawkins mention Afairyist), but i accept the latter as it requires less side-track debating over terminology.

>> ^Boise_Lib:

I really, really hope that Videosift5 gives the ability to spend a PP on a "super upvote" for comments. (or something similar).
@Sepacore would get mine!! (above)

^ Cheers

>> ^Boise_Lib:
I'm absolutely against anyone, or thing, that shows the pettiness, jealousy, and just plan babyishness of Yahweh having any control over human beings.


^ /agree

>> ^Boise_Lib:
But, what about something (this is why I don't use the word "god"), which is benevolently seeking knowledge through it's extrusions--(that's us)--into this space-time we inhabit.
If we are all part of this thing can it really be abhorrent?


^ .. make duck bills with your fingers, put them to your temples and open them up as you pull your hands away: you're blowing my mind.

>> ^Boise_Lib:
My point is if there is something else out there, we--as a species--have no idea what that might be (all religions are wrong).


^ /agree

>> ^Boise_Lib:
[Sidepoint: The mixture of taste sensations evinced by the salty, savory ham and the sweet, sour pineapple enmeshed in melty cheese is a glorious thing.]

^ * slumps down in a corner and cries softly while singing Amy Grant's 'Innocence Lost' (Christian music, lol Google FTW) *

I can't relive my life
I can't retrace my tracks
I can't undo what's done
There is no going back

I chased a selfish dream
Did not survey the cost
Illusions disappeared
I've found my innocence lost

Some say it's lessons learned
Some say it's a living life
I say it's choices made
Knowing wrong from right

>> ^ChaosEngine:
What I do have to contend with is mainstream religion (and while we're at it, faulty thinking around astrology, homoeopathy, etc).
^ worked in offices for past 5 years.. don't get me started on astrology and homeopathy. The girls and 1 guy don't care what i say about religions and Gods.. but the moment i open my mouth about those other 2.. (think it's because i kept showing them proofs against the practices)


@Lawdeedaw
I see the points you're making, but there's a lot more to an Agnostic position than there is to either of the extremes. For 1, there's room to fluctuate to either end of the extremes without having to make an incredible claim that simply can't be backup in any scientific way as there are always 'trump cards' for this subject.

Better than Physics, Cosmology, Chemistry and Biology, imo Psychology has the greatest chance of proving God doesn't exist, but unfortunately it's not going to be an actual 'proof', at best (and it irritates/pains me to say) it will only be a really good reason to 'believe' or suggest that Gods are most likely figments of our imaginations off of our preferences. Easily ignored when in the face of 'faith'.

Call it 'safe' or even 'fence sitting' if need be, but i call it the result of thinking about the subject and being honest enough to accept 'i, nor anyone, actually knows.. but i think X due to Y'.

I used to think an Atheistic position for scientists was logical off of the point of 'no proof, don't believe'. But the reality is that scientists do believe things without evidence, they work their butts off to prove the idea, and either succeed or prove the opposite, sometimes even discovering things they had no intention of or even an idea that they were close to.. point being there are stages where they have reason to believe but don't have proof and these stages can make getting funding quite difficult.

For a Scientist, publicly and privately resting on an agnostic position somewhere between the 2 ends of the scale is more reasonable/justifiable and less arrogant/distracting.

If you can't honestly state "I know there is no God" in any/every debate/discussion, then technically you're Agnostic (unless stating the complete opposite).. but like me would take up a stance a pin prick away from 1 of the 2 disingenuous and arrogant extremes (specifically the good one, that doesn't 'justify' us not caring about others).

>> ^VoodooV:

Ditto. Agnostic is the only sane choice. Fuck Atheists who want to put agnostics under their "umbrella"

^ If it ever started raining/reigning in the way and with the unforgiving dedications a number of religions have in the past, i hazard the guess you would likely jump under my umbrella quick smart when it was the only place that gave us both the option to state 'i don't know/care' and live to tell about it.

/Agree re the disapproval of Atheists disregarding the line.. but to this day, I've never met an 'Atheist' that definitively stated when pushed 'i know God doesn't exist'.

inFact: Detoxification

EvilDeathBee says...

I always thought that detox stuff was rubbish, but never knew the lengths these people would go to push this trash onto gullible idiots. Why has this (and homeopathy for that matter) not been banned for false claims?

Anyone here like Aquariums for a hobby ? (Pets Talk Post)

direpickle says...

>> ^kymbos:

Those fish forums are pretty intense. I once went there asking for advice, and someone basically told me that any baby fish born into my tank would be retarded. Finding that rather comical, I embarked on a trolling campaign pretending he had basically accused me of intentionally breeding genetic retards, but after a while I realised no matter how wild my comments got, they would always be considered genuine. Those people are out there.


That's just the Internet in general. Any topic you can think of has a dedicated forum packed with the exact same mix of people that had simply picked a different passion.

Politics, economics, books, science, math, xkcd rules, xkcd sucks, (xkcd sucks) sucks, martial arts, dolphin sex, video games, sports, cars, fish, medicine, homeopathy, astrology, UFOs, mole men, moon men, Nazis in Argentina, Nazis on the Moon, flat Earths, hollow Earths, the Electric Universe...

Drinking Homeopathic Bleach

bamdrew says...

Agreed. I thought his point was to actually demonstrate what the homeopathic remedy concept entails... its one thing to pay $5 for something in the health-food aisle marketed to treat your health condition and another to see how that $5 box of BS was actually created.

I've notice there is a degree of confusion between 'homeopathy' and 'herbology' or 'natural medicines', as they are often marketed side-by-side as 'alternative medicines'... homeopathy is complete horseshit, while many (certainly not all) natural medicines are basically unprocessed drugs and vitamins.

'Homeopathy' sounds Latin and scientific, but its a scam for the ill-informed who see it as a cheap alternative to actual medicine, or those who confuse it with 'natural medicines' which may well contain salicylic acid (aspirin) or whatever and make you feels somewhat better.

>> ^solecist:

he's absolutely right about homeopathy, but i'm not sure what this video is trying to prove. homeopaths are well aware that most of their active ingredients are poisonous when taken in an undiluted form. upvoting for the sentiment, at least.
ps, a shot of straight bleach would not kill a grown man.

Drinking Homeopathic Bleach

solecist says...

he's absolutely right about homeopathy, but i'm not sure what this video is trying to prove. homeopaths are well aware that most of their active ingredients are poisonous when taken in an undiluted form. upvoting for the sentiment, at least.

ps, a shot of straight bleach would not kill a grown man.

Drinking Homeopathic Bleach

Drinking Homeopathic Bleach

cito says...

Homeopathy is one of the biggest frauds and scams going.

And for some reason retards still buy into it for some reason...

Love James Randi, he's got a couple different speeches about it on youtube, but he's right when he calls it a 'mental retardation when people are unable to even discern such a simple scam'

Drinking Homeopathic Bleach

Drinking Homeopathic Bleach

Free Market Solution to AIDS Research (Blog Entry by blankfist)

blankfist says...

@JiggaJonson, we have snake oil salesmen today. Homeopathy is just that. Herbal potency pills are too. And many people think asparagus is an aphrodisiac. People are still trying to sell their inferior products to the masses, but the real problem with snake oil salesmen is that they usually came on a horse drawn carriage, and after selling to their marks they were gone. In today's society, most people can and do get their drugs from a brick and mortar store. If someone sells them something purporting to cure something and it doesn't, they could sue for fraud.

But this is a huge distraction from what we were talking about. At the end of the day, opening up the research market to the world and allowing global competition did in three weeks what top researchers couldn't do in decades.

The free market works. The more eyes we can put on a cure or solving a problem, the quicker we get results and the more it helps society and medical progress. Who would be against that?

Michele Bachmann is Anti-Vaccination

marbles says...

Wait... they do have adverse reactions or they don't? You just contradicted yourself. I'm sure when the child gets a high fever or has a seizure, the parents are just making that shit up. That's the real conspiracy! All these parents are lying about their children, they want to bring back the black plague!

So again I'll ask: It's possible to make vaccines without mercury, so why do you authoritarian toads want to mandate vaccines with a HIGHLY toxic substance that we don't even fully understand how it's toxicity mechanism works? You people are insane.

"Think Twice" sounds like a good idea to any rational minded person.

And perfect, you can't dispute the facts--so just ignore them.>> ^spoco2:

@marbles:


Let me get this straight... A young kid gets vaccinated, suffers an adverse reaction to it which leads to "autism like" symptoms. And the vaccine did NOT cause autism? The kid was going to get autism anyway? Bullshit. You have no evidence to back up that position.

Yup, that's what I'm saying because they don't suffer 'adverse reactions'. What tends to happen is that a kid gets their shots, sometime later they start showing signs of autism, and then the parents start trying to look for a reason and so latch on to the last thing that happened, no matter HOW UNRELATED it is.
Autism starts showing itself, generally, around the age that kids get these vaccines. They're just two things that happen around the same bloody time.
You have lost the ability (or never had it) to be able to see how things happening around the same time are not necessarily related. You have to show a CAUSAL link. And none have been shown.
YES, in a tiny segment of the population there are adverse affects to vaccines. YES these adverse affects are sad and horrible for those it occurs to, but also does occur due to pre-existing conditions/predispositions (so it'd be great if you could pre-screen for these, but can't as yet). These are tiny percentages, and, while bad, cannot really be avoided, NO treatment of ANY kind has zero potential side effects.
And all that which you quote there... I'll chose to not even read it considering the source... Neil Miller Director of the Thinktwice Global Vaccine Institute. a bullshit anti vaccination group who peddle herbal clensers and fucking homeopathy. Sorry, anyone who gives homeopathy any credence whatsoever is a blathering idiot in any scientific way.
So, sorry, anything written by him can now be written off as 'horseshit'.



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