Near all of what was shown is obviously racist.

However, a statement or two have... merit?

http://fear.videosift.com/video/Another-Hate-Crime-Committed-in-America

In this case, I stand by "it has nothing to do with race". In the equivalent situation (Baltimore, black thugs/gang, drunk victim) put a black person in the victim's place and nothing changes. Actually, they may have killed/maimed the black victim. The white dude got off light, for Baltimore.

Anyway, they don't scream racial epithets. There is no evidence he was targeted due to being white.

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I say the Zimmerman case is about race because of Zimmerman's history of profiling black males as criminals. Even the black neighbor who praised Zimmerman said he was uncomfortable walking in his own neighborhood because of the profiling. That's pretty damning in itself.

I say it's about race because Zimmerman's only rationale for pursuing Martin with a loaded gun was his appearance.

I say it's about race, because Zimmerman on the 911 call called Martin a "coon".

I say it's about race due to the (in)actions of the police:
-A homicide goes down and the admitted killer is let go after a couple of hours due to his word in the absence of video or consistent eyewitness accounts? No thorough investigation while they held him? When have you ever heard of that happening? I have black friends who have been wrongly held for days on much less serious allegations.

-The victim, a young teenager, is not identified for days. On that night, the police didn't even canvas the community he was walking in to find out who he was. Can you imagine that happening to any of your teenage friends/relatives? I would think anyone would assume a normal teenager would have concerned parents worried about his absence. And at least look in the most likely place for the parents: the immediate neighborhood.

-They've corrupted the chain of evidence so much, the case had to be taken out of their hands

-This department has a history of mistreating blacks

Plenty of evidence and observations that can't reasonably be explained any other way.>> ^chilaxe:

>> ^longde:
Happens often enough; where are all those national stories?
And for you to level such a broad accusation, you have to show some proof/evidence/facts. Where are these videos you speak of where we without reason mislabel a hate crime?
>> ^chilaxe:
If the ethnicities were reversed, everybody above saying it's not a hate crime would be saying it's without a doubt a hate crime. It'd also be national news.


On the other video, you said: "This crime has nothing to do with race."
"Nothing to do with race" seems to be going a bit far, but the general argument could be reasonable.
If we believed in those standards, we'd apply them to the Trayvon Martin case.
We'd say the critical factors in Martin's case weren't about race, because Zimmerman's black neighbor said he'd have done the same thing, and any teenager who presents himself to the world as being part of gang culture would have a problem in a gated community that's having a problem with crime.

>> ^longde:

Happens often enough; where are all those national stories?
And for you to level such a broad accusation, you have to show some proof/evidence/facts. Where are these videos you speak of where we without reason mislabel a hate crime?
>> ^chilaxe:
If the ethnicities were reversed, everybody above saying it's not a hate crime would be saying it's without a doubt a hate crime. It'd also be national news.



On the other video, you said: "This crime has nothing to do with race."

"Nothing to do with race" seems to be going a bit far, but the general argument could be reasonable.

If we believed in those standards, we'd apply them to the Trayvon Martin case.

We'd say the critical factors in Martin's case weren't about race, because Zimmerman's black neighbor said he'd have done the same thing, and any teenager who presents himself to the world as being part of gang culture would have a problem in a gated community that's having a problem with crime.

Happens often enough; where are all those national stories?

And for you to level such a broad accusation, you have to show some proof/evidence/facts. Where are these videos you speak of where we without reason mislabel a hate crime?

>> ^chilaxe:

If the ethnicities were reversed, everybody above saying it's not a hate crime would be saying it's without a doubt a hate crime. It'd also be national news.

If the ethnicities were reversed, everybody above saying it's not a hate crime would be saying it's without a doubt a hate crime. It'd also be national news.

http://videosift.com/video/Another-Hate-Crime-Committed-in-America>> ^Sagemind:

Here is the beginning of this video: http://youtu.be/0dENltReP1U

This crime has nothing to do with race. Put a black man in the same situation, and the same would happen.

1. He wasn't targeted because he was white. He was targeted because he was drunk, alone and unable to defend himself. The same thing would have happened to a black dude in an equivalent situation, except then you wouldn't care.

2. As I pointed out in a similar video, that's Baltimore. Black people are robbed, beaten, and killed in that violent city every fucking day. There are enough of these disgusting videos online to show that these thugs will attack anyone of any demographic.

3. Apparently you don't realize that white people commit crimes too. Every day. Sometimes in groups (called "gangs"). And some of those crimes target black people. The instances where a gang or a group of drunk, rowdy white boys attack a black victim are not all national news. >> ^chilaxe:

If a black person was targeted by not a lone white criminal but an entire white mob for this because of their ethnicity, it'd be national news.
Videosift always supports that because racism, and in particular group hate crimes, are seen as representing larger cultural and practical realities.
There'd be no comments that it should be downplayed by the media and restricted to sites like WorldStarHipHop.
>> ^longde:
Of course not. Why would I say that a bunch of white thugs robbing Urkel represented white culture? Also, I have encountered enough criminals of all colors to know that a mugging -even an extravagant one- isn't a political statement. >> ^chilaxe:
>> ^longde:
I don't necessarily have anything against the video; frankly though it fits better on WorldStarHipHop than videosift. I downvoted for your tags, which imply that criminals somehow comprise the culture of some group, which shall remain nameless. And your description, which attempts to make a criminal act political.
If the cultural groups in this video were reversed, wouldn't you take the opposite position on those points?

If a black person was targeted by not a lone white criminal but an entire white mob for this because of their ethnicity, it'd be national news.

Videosift always supports that because racism, and in particular group hate crimes, are seen as representing larger cultural and practical realities.

There'd be no comments that it should be downplayed by the media and restricted to sites like WorldStarHipHop.

>> ^longde:

Of course not. Why would I say that a bunch of white thugs robbing Urkel represented white culture? Also, I have encountered enough criminals of all colors to know that a mugging -even an extravagant one- isn't a political statement. >> ^chilaxe:
>> ^longde:
I don't necessarily have anything against the video; frankly though it fits better on WorldStarHipHop than videosift. I downvoted for your tags, which imply that criminals somehow comprise the culture of some group, which shall remain nameless. And your description, which attempts to make a criminal act political.
If the cultural groups in this video were reversed, wouldn't you take the opposite position on those points?

So I watched the video and I read the comments, and I wouldn't call this a hate crime. However I would label this gang violence. Now even if these people that did this aren't affiliated with any given popular gang it is still an organized attempt to commit a crime. You can not claim ignorance in the fact that this was all planned and placed together all at once for the purpose of stealing this mans wallet. The man went after his wallet to get it back, and then received a punch to the face. This was a violent response for wanting his property back. So please by all means anyone who says that this was crap please go some where you feel threatened, alone, get robbed and punched out, and see if you aren't ready to fight about it too. So in summary..........Shut up if what you have to say is ignorant or just plain stupid! Thanks and have a great day.

>> ^longde:
Anyone who looks soft will be a victim in the rough hoods of Baltimore. It's only news here because this particular victim is white. Black people get robbed, beaten and shot in Baltimore regularly.

it's not news because he's white, it's news because it was filmed. personally i would have the same reaction regardless of what the victim or assailants looked like. we know things are worse all over the world and crazier shit happens but this is a weird, somewhat unique, and horrible victimization.

B.S.

His race has nothing to do with his victimization. There are some hard white dudes in Baltimore that would not have been touched by this crowd of cowards. As I said, a soft target in Baltimore will be victimized, and most of 'em (the victims of crime in Baltimore) are black.
>> ^TheDreamingDragon:

Considering the guy was targetted for no othwer reason than his Race,and that they were enjoying themselves humiliating and hurting him,I would most certainly call this a Hate Crime.

Considering the guy was targetted for no othwer reason than his Race,and that they were enjoying themselves humiliating and hurting him,I would most certainly call this a Hate Crime. Possibly not the technical definition of Hate,but it wasn't Love that motivated these people to screw with someone just standing around minding his own business. And if it means the guilty go away to jail for a longer time,even better. They not only filmed the crime but uploaded it to YouTube so they can share it with their friends!

Isn't life tough enough without things like this happening? Out for a good time? Wonderful. Just don't deny that to others. No mercy shown,no mercy given.

It's not a hate crime, but it does inspire hatred and racist responses in the minds of the viewer.

I knew better then to watch and I did anyway. Stupid me. I so hate these type of videos(they turn my stomach).

Also I wouldn't consider this a "hate crime".

The thing is, your subtlety notwithstanding, "hate crime" implies something to most viewers that is not present in the video. On top of that, when you call it "another" hate crime, you are implying some relationship to some other high profile case.

On another note, lack of empathy does not equal hate. Does a lion or shark "hate" its prey?

An all around misleading title.