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Palestinian UN Ambassador At UN

newtboy says...

Edit: I misunderstood …. When you flee to somewhere you aren’t welcome, you invaded. That’s not characterization, it’s definition. If my home isn’t safe so I force my way into yours, I invaded your home…even if my friend down the street said it was ok.
It’s not a legitimate motive to invade a foreign country and murder, subjugate, and ghettoize its inhabitants because you aren’t safe where you live. There is no legitimate motive for those actions.

I think you take great liberty deciding the “Arab narrative”. That may be the Hamas narrative, it’s not the Palestinian’s history, and I think few claim it is. At first they were and acted like refugees, welcomed by Arab natives, some of which were Jews themselves, then shortly after began exponentially increasing immigration to overpower the natives, coming armed. They had no right to take by force food, shelter, and safety from those who had offered it to a much smaller portion of needy Jews…they in fact had an obligation to do the exact opposite and minimize their impact on their TEMPORARY HOSTS, and ensure their benefactors didn’t suffer for their generosity. This was not even a fleeting thought for the invaders.

The violent Zionists were intentionally courted and invited then supported and encouraged by those you say were “getting along”, so your point is misguided.

That native population was displaced by a concerted effort to forcibly immigrate en masse and seize control. The natives eventually balked, but too late and the overwhelming masses of armed violent Jewish invaders took over.

I’m in a camp that doesn’t give a shit about religion, they’re all idiotic nonsense, but believes in law and order, and invading people seizing control by force and dehumanizing the natives is not a thing I’m prepared to gloss over or erase with one sided details. I don’t gloss over my own country’s inhumane origins of genocidal racism against our natives, and I support any measure that returns anything they’ve been stripped of.

I’m also in a camp that doesn’t think it’s ok to murder and rape Peter to pay Paul for Patrick’s bill. The Palestinians bear zero responsibility for Jews treatment in Europe. None.

I’m also in a camp that believes “refugee” means you are a guest until you can return home, not a new citizen with more rights than natives.

The European Jews there are invaders acting terribly unreasonably, they’re very Trumpian in their actions, any slight against them is an excuse to go full bore Hitler against those kids with rocks.

I don’t “just declare invasion”. It was an invasion.
Foreign people came unwanted and illegally into the country and took over by force. That’s called an invasion in English by most definitions, and an invasion it was.
The forceful invaders are ALWAYS the bad guys, the oppressors are ALWAYS the bad guys, the expansionists are ALWAYS the bad guys. That describes all the Israeli people. They are the bad guys, whether they intended to be or not.

bcglorf said:

"Who the fuck cares what the reason they wanted to invadeflee was?"

Characterization matters a little here, no?

"They had a right to refugee status there, not to take control and possession by force"

Which is at the heart of things.

The Arab narrative is that Jews arrived guns loaded and set about pillaging, killing and invading as soon as they had sufficient numbers, while the poor domestic Arab population had only been trying to assist and welcome in the refugees...

Which is ahistorical propaganda.

The reality is that for the most part, the European Jews arriving in Palestine were refugees and acting like refugees. Meaning they mostly just wanted to be able to provide food, shelter and safety for the families, just like everyone else. Most of them tried to set about doing this by legally purchasing land.

Lots of the local Arabs similarly were content to get along.

At that same time though, there were hardcore Zionists among the Jewish arrivals AND there were xenophobic elements willing to use violence within the Arab population too.

The tensions rose as the populations rose, but largely as a result of a large people being displaced, and NOT as the planned invasion you describe. The local Arab population started to band together to refuse to work, trade or sell to Jews. Violence broke out instigated separately on smallish scales by BOTH sides. Escalating violence followed, again back and forth between sides.

I'm in a camp that has a hard time blaming either the domestic Arab population for distress at the huge influx of refugees, nor for the European Jewish people having a low tolerance for discrimination and violence directed there way solely for being Jewish.

I see it as a huge mess, but with two large populations of Jewish and Arab people in Palestine acting not terribly unreasonably under circumstances of extreme pressure.

I think it's lazy and convenient to just declare 'invasion' so that you can simplify it all down to right/wrong and good guy/bad guy....

Debunking the Palestine Lie

newtboy says...

Entirely one sided misleading propaganda.

It completely ignores and glosses over the millions of armed Jewish invaders that took over what’s now the ever expanding Israel, outnumbering the less well armed and unsupported Palestinians, quickly creating an apartheid state with inhuman treatment of the now minority native population displaced by European Jews that had no intention of sharing the land they had stolen from the native inhabitants with England’s and America’s blessing, nor of keeping to the borders they agreed to.

So much history was intentionally deleted or completely misrepresented here it’s more misinformation than informative.
The Palestinian people were subjugated by the Turks, then the British, and now by the genocidal Zionists.

The argument here is like if you imagine America has essentially no military at all having just won independence from Britain in 1948, and the French demanded 1/2 of Louisiana as it was originally a French nation and they suffered greatly in the war, including of course New Orleans, and Canada offered them 25% which they agree to, America said “hell no, why should we hand over our land to foreign invaders?”, and now America is blamed for France’s brutal invasion and unending dehumanization of and inhuman war crimes against and brutal subjugation and imprisonment of the people of the entire Louisiana territory that France now claims, with sights on more expansion.

*lies

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

GDP AT 4.9% and rising
Unemployment at 3.8% and steady
Inflation at 3.7% and dropping

Sure sounds great. Maybe you don’t know what the word “great” means. 😂

Try asking Fox how it’s going….

bobknight33 said:

What idiotic puke are you spewing.

You get your information from the same rag that say Bidenomics is doing great.

Bidenomics is not great.

Child dragged by school bus in Kentucky

BSR says...

At least the girl will have a great story to tell her grandchildren.

"You kids have it easy today. Why when I was a kid I was DRAGGED to school on the outside of a bus"

"Grandma, what's a bus?"

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

The exact idiotic puke Republicans are doing.

Nope, got it directly from the Republicans whose families have been targeted. 🤦‍♂️
Look at Don Bacon’s public statements and the messages sent to his wife. Or Representative Miller Meeks who put out a public letter after she received multiple credible death threats. Multiple others too. All terroristic threats coming from MAGA.

Bidenomics is great. Low unemployment, high gdp, now low inflation too. The deficit is lower under Biden by half. You need to do some serious mental gymnastics to believe it’s not doing well.

bobknight33 said:

What idiotic puke are you spewing.

You get your information from the same rag that say Bidenomics is doing great.

Bidenomics is not great.

newtboy (Member Profile)

bobknight33 says...

What idiotic puke are you spewing.

You get your information from the same rag that say Bidenomics is doing great.

Bidenomics is not great.

newtboy said:

Don’t you know you’re supposed to be against that to the point where, because a Republican thought for themselves and voted their conscience you are supposed to be terrorizing their families, following them everywhere in public, leaving threatening messages, doxing them including their children…MAGA is 100% violently against forming your own opinions, which is likely why we’ve never once seen you do it.

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Gym Jordan and MAGA failed a third time to elect a speaker. Gym lost the first, second, and third vote to Hakeem Jeffries. Every vote he lost worse.

MORE evidence that MAGA cannot even work with itself, much less others. You people are just fucking children….and you ARE children.

Good job at being a total laughing stock. If it didn’t paralyze our government, it would be hilarious, instead it’s horrifically bad for our economy, international standing, our allies, and our future.

Oh shit….Judge Engoron is prepared to put Trump in prison for intentionally not complying with the gag order by not removing the post accusing his clerk of having an affair with Chuck Schumer from his campaign website. Ruling later today….gonna be great. Bye Donny.

Squatch-Squat

newtboy says...

Even without any skunk apes to see, it’s a great scenic train ride.
I took it with my parents in the early 80s on one of the days they run the old steam engine train. I think they still do a few times a year. Just beautiful back then….almost completely undeveloped the entire ride, then Silverton was a quaint old West themed town.
Good times….good times.

School Board cuts off parent

surfingyt says...

I personally love how bewby boy comes here to only get downvoted and ridiculed. NO ONE EVER COMES TO HIS DEFENSE! He convinces no one here, pissing into the wind, and yet he keeps coming back to destroy his credibility over and over and over and over and over and over and over. It's GREAT!

newtboy said:

Bob—you haven’t recognized reality for at least 14 years, likely longer. The list of nonsensical lies you’ve spouted in your tenure here is so long if you were Pinocchio you could single handedly save the timber industry.

newtboy (Member Profile)

noims says...

As ever, Newt, thank you for the effort you put in to debunking this. It's not great that I'm relying on an amphibian to vet my sources, and I certainly give disclaimers when I repeat this kind of stuff, but at this stage I open these stories just to see your rebuttal.

Yes, I just said I come to see your rebuttal. Own it.

newtboy said:

Nike had sold discounted and out-of-season items at the Northeast neighborhood factory store since 1984.
Not a flagship Nike store, but a flagship “community factory store”….a low profit discount out of season outlet store.

Last year the store quietly shuttered its doors due to internal and external theft and safety issues. With expensive and small/lightweight stock and absolutely no anti theft security in place and police too busy joking about running over citizens to even try to arrest shoplifters, it’s hardly surprising they became targets for petty theft by employees and customers.

Nike did not provide a specific reason for the permanent closure and said it is considering future locations in the area, not that they were abandoning it because of high crime. Sounds like they just need a more secure building. Nice try.

"Nike’s commitment to supporting and uplifting Portland’s North and Northeast community is unwavering. We are reimagining Nike’s retail space, permanently closing our current location at 2650 NE Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard, and considering future locations as part of this community’s long term revitalization plan,"

Stop Making Sense | Official Trailer HD | A24

CNN Listing the lies of POTUS JOE

newtboy says...

You wish. Keep dreaming fool. Another lame attempt to convince people #walkaway is happening to the left, not the right. How’d that work out last time? 😂

Again, as you well know, CNN is a Fox clone today, has been since Chris Licht took over and said clearly that was his goal and immediately cancelled high rated but far left shows and hosts well over a year ago. It is fake news….now…it’s proof enough that they put this fool on air.

As if a few grandpa embellishments to inconsequential stories over the decades could come close to the constant stream of consequential outright lies that spew from great leader in a day. 😂
Can we make telling any lie bigger than “you look good” be a disqualifier then? I’m down with it. Your party won’t last the day, Trump won’t last 5 minutes. 😂

bobknight33 said:

Democrats lining up for a new POTUS pick for 2024.

Its bad when even the Fake news stop covering for you.

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

ROTFLMFAHS!!!
I’m going to guess you’ve heard the MAGA plan to get around Trump being banned from the ballot…just write him in.
I’m also going to guess you think it’s a great plan that will win him the presidency…because you like so many MAGgots can’t understand the clear wording in the constitution that bars him from OFFICE, not just the ballot. 😂

I just love hearing about MAGA thinking they’re smart. It always ends in hilarious disaster. More please.

Question….where’s your MAGA outrage about Enrique Tarrio getting 22 years for seditious conspiracy for directing the attacks on the Capitol on Jan 6?

Joe Biggs got 17 years and Dominic Pezolla got 10 for sedition and right wing social media lit up like a Xmas tree complaining how unfair it was, I bet Trump even made a statement about pardoning them (that’s another 14th amendment violation invalidating Trump), but for their dark skinned leader who wasn’t even present at Jan 6 (because he had been arrested for theft and arson of BLM property for stealing a banner from a church and burning it), for Enrique there’s silence…not angry crying and whining like the white guys got.
I wonder why? What’s different about Enrique from the other white defendants that would make his sentence acceptable to MAGA, even funny, while the others that actually committed the seditious violence got far less time and are considered martyrs and heroes?

BTW- it bears noting that the proud boys all refused plea deals that would have gotten them less than 1/2 the prison terms. 😂

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bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

You’ve been saying that for what, at least 4 months… but really since Jan 21. Hasn’t happened, but sure as fuck did with your party in control. D’oh.

Trump created record setting unemployment levels…record HIGH unemployment.

(Adjusted) Inflation FOR THE LAST 3 MONTHS is 2.1%. For the year it’s 3.2%. I know reading comprehension is not a strong suit for you, but I spelled it out.

“Fed still need to destroy jobs”? Is this a prediction, or your theory? It’s so poorly written with such horrible grammar that it’s impossible to understand you.

More jobs were created than lost dummy…and good paying full time jobs. 13 million net jobs have been created under Biden, 3 million were LOST under Trump, the only modern president to lose jobs.

Massive government spending created the inflation…mostly under the previous administration that added $8 TRILLION to the debt in 4 years and dropped federal income significantly by letting billionaires pay less in taxes than fast food workers.

The economy is doing great. Inflation is low, wages are rising fast, unemployment is nothing, the market is booming, predictions for recession have evaporated and now they’re for a boom. Only morons that refuse to accept that a Democrat is better at the economy than conservative know nothings that refuse to admit it, but the numbers CONTINUE to bear it out despite your constant insistence it’s going to crash next week.

Tomorrow,tomorrow, we’ll go broke tomorrow, (but) it’s always a day away. -bob

Keep fooling yourself. Bidenomics is helping Americans and it’s getting better constantly. People who ignorantly believe what you say wouldn’t ever vote Democrat anyway, no matter what, but everyone else outside the cult sees reality and that’s great for the left and a disaster for bankrupt MAGA, especially next November.

bobknight33 said:

3.8% unemployment will go up.
Inflation is not at 2.1% Going down yes but not at target.
FED still need to destroy jobs.
670K Full-Time Jobs Lost In 2 Months Vs 1 Million Part-Time Surge; Worst Unadjusted August Payrolls Since Great Recession.

Massive Government spending created this.

Keep fooling yourself . Biden economics are hurting Americans and it will get worse.



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