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channel 4 trainwreck interview with jordan peterson

Ashenkase says...

"Let me just get this straight, your saying that we should organize our society along the lines of the lobster"

NOPE, NOPE, I can't do it anymore... I stuck it out until 27:13 but that moronic question puts it over the top.

So let me get this straight Mrs. Interviewer, you have no concept of the scientific method and just want to push your ideals and emotions on this guy (write or wrong that he may be)?

I should have just watched the fireplace channel for half an hour... I certainly would have come out smarter after this show of abysmal "journalism".

Asmo (Member Profile)

bareboards2 says...

Hard to have a discussion when the basic psychological concept that is endemic in society is not understood by one side of the conversation. Not really worth trying to dig out of that hole, in my opinion.

I do like your idealist view of how people SHOULD be. We aren't that way, of course. I wish it for all our futures.

Including men, and the internalized messages they get that warp their view of the world.

I have contended for years that men are in a much worse psychological state than women. We at least are encouraged to delve into our emotions, with varying degrees of success. Poor men are told to buck up and be "men". What a horrible thing to say to a little boy, or a preteen, or a teenager, or a young man entering adulthood, or a grown man dealing with a difficult world. No wonder men die earlier than women. The pressures they are under are enormous, with no way to relieve that pressure.

Generally speaking. There is a movement that has been gathering steam that is encouraging men to become more fully themselves.

The hike was great, albeit too short. We don't have great big waterfalls here on the Olympic Peninsula. It has been raining a lot lately. The waterfall that we visited was THUNDERING. I have never seen a thundering waterfall here.

Then again, I don't normally hike in the winter.

As for the weather... some Norwegian told a friend of mine -- There is no bad weather. Only bad clothing.

My clothing was fine, aided by the fact it started raining after we headed back home.

Asmo said:

I don't doubt there are some people who exhibit an absolute psychological subversion to an ideology or person that is detrimental to their general good, ie. Stockholm syndrome, but to conclude that this is representative of even a significant minority of people who eschew victimhood in favour of responsibility for ones own situation is a long bow to draw. This is in the context of the last 20 years. Going back further to the time pre the women's rights movement or the abolishment of segregation, there are more empirical examples of internalisation.

Internalised whatever is a diminished capacity argument, limiting or removing entirely responsibility for ones actions and placing the blame elsewhere. An argument I find holds water if you're talking about blacks under Jim Crow where it would have been more desirable to either be white, or be closer to white, to escape oppression. Essentially a hostage situation.

It's a concept that loses steam as society becomes more accepting over time. Women now have the might of legislation + a significant chunk of the media behind them. They no longer have to be willing victims (although as #metoo showed, many were willing to be victims or at least silent via payout/nda when it served their purposes). If a woman is an equal to man, she must have the right to make her own decisions and the responsibility to be held accountable for them.

Hope the hike goes well. I imagine it's pretty chilly this time of year?

Dear Satan

Payback says...

Religion isn't the basis for all "Good". Chimps don't have religion yet they show compassion, empathy and cooperation all the time. To say the Judeo-Christian God concept is the reason there is love ignores all the other religions and lost Amazonian tribes that produced "good" all on their own and actually advances the emotional background of racism.

Micro Transactions - Epic NPC Man - VLDL (EA SW BF2 Parody)

The robot-proof job men aren't taking

A feminist comes to terms with the Men's Rights movement

ChaosEngine says...

You could argue that the issues that hold men down are generally caused by the same issues feminists are fighting for.

One of the biggest issues affecting men is suicide, especially in younger males. And one of the primary drivers of this is "macho" culture; the idea that it's not "manly" to ask for emotional help.

The other issue I hear about is fathers rights (a court will almost always side with a mother in a custody dispute). Again, this is caused by the idea that the woman should be looking after the children.

The irony is that the fundamental difference between men's issues and women's issues is actually the fundamental similarity: both are caused by societal structures that dictate the role of men and women.

The difference is that historically (and let's be honest, even today), men hold the power and make the rules.

Sagemind said:

I've been saying this for years.
Men have some real issues that hold them down.
But that doesn't mean we can't also acknowledge the issues that woman face at the same time.

Senator Jeff Flake's Retirement Speech-Short Version

radx says...

"Indecency of our discourse"... his voting record is as indecent as it gets. And that includes his vote to shred the CFPB's arbitration rule six(!) hours after this speech. Same for Corker. As much as they seem to be aghast at what a dumpster fire the current administration is, they sure don't have mixed emotions about getting in line when it's time to cast a vote.

Real champions of the common folk, these two.

Say nay to Nonsensical Rifle Addiction (NRA)

newtboy says...

$40-$60 million more in undisclosed payments to Manafort surfaced last week....but Trump has nothing to do with the Trump for president campaign, does he?....and did I say collusion, or even Trump? Nope, but a guilty conscience hears accusations that never happened.
The Russians today are doing exactly what you do, pretending to be right wing nutjobs on left leaning sites, and lefty snowflakes on right leaning sites, pushing the narrative to all that the other guy is a total nut by making ridiculous, ignorant claims like you do. If you aren't being paid by Putin, you're working for him for free.

Jesus fucking Christ, Bob. Can you be more deluded and ignorant? Once again, your Russian text book of American history is 100% ass backwards.

Southern strategy: In American politics, the southern strategy was a Republican Party electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters in the South by appealing to racism against African Americans.[1][2][3] As the Civil Rights Movement and dismantling of Jim Crow laws in the 1950s and 1960s visibly deepened existing racial tensions in much of the Southern United States, Republican politicians such as presidential candidate Richard Nixon and Senator Barry Goldwater developed strategies that successfully contributed to the political realignment of many white, conservative voters in the South to the Republican Party that had traditionally supported the Democratic Party.[4] It also helped push the Republican Party much more to the right.[4]
Not Nixon courting the black vote.

Troll: Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion,[3] often for the troll's amusement.
Definitely you, Dimitri. It's almost time to have lucky investigate your ip address to see if you're in Kiev or Moscow.

bobknight33 said:

Still ZERO Russians / TRUMP linkage of trump colluding to win the election. Keep dreaming --

There is Russian meddling but to mess with Clinton and to stoke the fires of discontent of black lives.

Russia/ Anti Clinton / BLM division YEP.

Southern strategy was Nixon attempt to gain black vote in the south. Wow Newt 1 instance of poor republican crap .... Yoo hoo -you got me there Newt 1 Bob 453. you still loose.

Democrats are littered with history destroying the black race. And you continue to push that agenda by keeping you head in the sand.

I hold the different opinion on this site but it is the correct opinion.


Troll-- I think not..Foolish ones like who believe their progressive elitist ideals are above reproach are the trolls.

Why We Constantly Avoid Talking About Gun Control

harlequinn says...

Cars drive and kill. True. And all the regulations he mentioned didn't stop one crazy guy hopping in a truck and saying "fuck you" and mowing down a hundred people. This is an important point because he's talking about firearm regulation in the context of mass shootings, and that firearm regulation will lessen or prevent these mass shootings - which he then compares to mass murder by vehicle, and vehicle regulation - regulation which clearly failed to stop any sort of purposeful mass murder by vehicle. Vehicle regulation is to lessen the impact of accidents and provide the government with a revenue stream through taxes. If vehicle regulation was to stop mass murder by vehicle, and you were to use Australia's firearm laws as a blueprint, you wouldn't be driving to work tomorrow.

The scary thing is, cars have killed more people by accident over the last 50 years in the USA than firearms have on purpose. That's how truly dangerous they are. If people woke up and realised they are a fantastic killing machine, then you'd start to see an increase in the incidence of mass vehicle killings... oh wait.

The reality is, from a public health discourse, there are plenty of things that kill at higher rates than firearms. The difference is that firearms are sometimes used to murder people and as far as we know most medical malpractice, car crashes, etc. are accidental. They are emotively tackled very differently.

PS: I'm not arguing against some firearm regulations being introduced in America. I'd use a modified version of New Zealand legislation (which allows for semi-auto long arms, high capacity magazines, etc.). I'd add self defense as a reason to own, and add concealed carry permits for those willing to do a course (with the catch that they would become a form of quasi-deputy of the state - so there would be hurdles to jump to get this permit).

Woman Dragged Off Of Southwest Flight For Allergies

newtboy says...

I don't know if I would go that far, but she sure made it far worse.

I fixed the description....again....that was from another report (the same one that claimed they used guns)...I should have fixed it with the gun comment though. My bad.

I've read a few reports that the "service dog" was an emotional support dog. Without certification, training, and a vest it's just a pet in my eyes, but I'm not sure if it had those. They implied it didn't, but implications are meaningless, I admit. Even with them, it's still a pet though, isn't it?

Edit: I note in the article, they said they offered to have her deplane and get the allergy shot (epi pen?), but they slyly don't mention that they would not have allowed her back on under any circumstances. Shot or no, it's the policy to not let her fly with animals on board if she's said she's allergic. They tried to trick her, then tried to pretend they offered a solution.

eric3579 said:

If you read the article i linked it seems pretty clear this is all on her. Also i didn't hear the attendants asking the officers to stop (as stated in description) and from the article one of the dogs was a service dog.

Pushy CNN Reporter Can't Take A Hint

ChaosEngine says...

Sorry, this went "wrong"?

From CNNs point of view, this couldn't have gone better. "Witness the human tradgedy, see the real emotion", or to put it more cynically, "come on bitches, cry on camera!"

Fuck, you see this shit on fucking COOKING SHOWS. "Why did you cook this? Is it because your INSERT DEAD RELATIVE thought you how to cook it? Come on, cry motherfucker, we have ratings to think of"

It's fucking disgusting

oritteropo (Member Profile)

bareboards2 says...

Ah. Thank you.

And still. Latin men and Italian men have more in common emotionally than they do Americans.

I am sooo looking forward to the time when American men break free from the box that they have been stuffed into by society.

Women have been at it, breaking free, for decades now and have a ways to go still.

We are all suffering from constructs from our youth. I swear.

oritteropo said:

Rubens is Brazilian, and with 322 race starts in F1 is the most experienced F1 driver of all time

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/f1-information/whos-who/whos-who-b/rubens-barrichello/

F1 driver overcome w emotion as son follows in his footsteps

The Battle Over Confederate Monuments

newtboy says...

Well, only a racist would celebrate them because of their racism. Good people might celebrate their accomplishments despite their racist actions, depending on their severity of the actions and on the greatness of the accomplishments.

Most confederate sympathizers I've known celebrate the confederate largely because it left and opposed the Union, not in spite of it. The see the absolute refusal to compromise as a merit. When ones biggest claim to fame is also their most infamous crime, it's difficult to reconcile or ignore.
I certainly agree, accurate history trumps sentiment, but history, particularly complicated and emotionally charged history is best represented in museums and text books, not celebrated with gaudy statuary in public spaces dedicated to a shameful part of our history and presented as if it were a proud chapter and these losers and traitors were really heros.

harlequinn said:

That's true. And only a racist would celebrate racists, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States_who_owned_slaves

Time for Americans to do some real introspection. Slavery isn't acceptable because the founding fathers did it. Considering the Constitution and the Bill of Rights they penned, it seems all the worse that they could recognise the evil slavery was yet still profit from it (and they're not suddenly good people because they released some of their slaves, or released them after they died).

I think making sure history is well recorded and taught correctly is more important than tearing down a statue. If a statue or monument is left up then it needs to clearly state the history of the subject and how they were on the "wrong side of history".

I think it is possible to recognise the good and bad that an individual has done.

This is what a coward looks like

bcglorf says...

Same guy.

Guy also mentions the Keene Police force... The Free Keene Squad was him... yeah.

https://youtu.be/-vQ5h8iWa0Q

But everybody finding this funny, or revelling in the karma isn't watching the same video I am. If you've watched him in the Vice segment, this video is one of the most disturbing things you can watch. These aren't the tears of a defeated man. This looks to me like the a guy overcome with emotion, not just sadness or fear. I can easily imagine this same gut wrenched display as an apology to the guy(s) he just shot at a future protest and distraught at how he was forced to do it and doesn't like it but will do it again if he has to.

spawnflagger said:

Is this the same douche from the Vice video?
I'm sure he'll claim he's not crying, but rather he was just pepper sprayed by communists.



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