>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:
Just because people hope he'll stop sucking and be the best president he can be doesn't guarantee he will.
The Nobel Peace prize isn't some magical pill that makes foreign policy perfect and rainbow shoot out of your hands. It doesn't fix anything.

>> ^EndAll:
It's damaging to the peace prize as an institutional device and a foolish decision by the Nobel committee that I was surprised to see them make.


It's amazing to me when intelligent people can miss a point so completely.

The awarding of the Nobel Peace prize is like a slap in his face. It says, "We've heard all the pretty words, Mr. President, and they were inspiring. Now are you going to follow through on those words?"

He doesn't pass laws, but he sets the tone and direction of what is probably still the most powerful country on the planet. As such, he is perhaps the single most powerful person in the world. If you had the ability to give him a shove and remind him of everything he has said about prioritizing peace in the past few years, wouldn't you do it?

If this award helps to re-commit our president to the pursuit of peace, then will you still have such disdain for their award decision?

>> ^volumptuous:
>> ^EndAll:
It's damaging to the peace prize as an institutional device and a foolish decision by the Nobel committee that I was surprised to see them make.

I'm sure they lie awake, crying at night knowing that they have now lost you as one of their supporters. This is something they will never regret.


Is that really all you have to say? Disappointing, vogrumptuous. Obviously that remark I made has no significance to anyone outside this comment page. I at least contributed more than an "Exactly." and offered my opinions and perspective in a respectable manner, while you go the route of mocking me with snarky sarcasm and evade any real response to what I said.

>> ^EndAll:
It's damaging to the peace prize as an institutional device and a foolish decision by the Nobel committee that I was surprised to see them make.


I'm sure they lie awake, crying at night knowing that they have now lost you as one of their supporters. This is something they will never forget.

The point still stands that he's failed at all his promises ( gitmo, don't ask don't tell, stopping corporate crooks).

Just because people hope he'll stop sucking and be the best president he can be doesn't guarantee he will.
The Nobel Peace prize isn't some magical pill that makes foreign policy perfect and rainbows shoot out of your hands. It doesn't fix anything.

Let's not forget that the abuses at Guantanamo Bay have NOT stopped. He continues two pointless unending wars. And he endorsed the Israeli invasion which massacred 1500 Palestinians last January.

..And we should, by any reasonable measure, be proud he was awarded a - PEACE - prize???

Yay, hope! I'm sure the Iraqis with no power or phones, the Afghan refugees with no parents, and the blind burnt Palestinian children are filled with hope and international pride over this. -_-


written by MaxWilder

It's amazing to me when intelligent people can miss a point so completely.

If this award helps to re-commit our president to the pursuit of peace, then will you still have such disdain for their award decision?


I think you may have missed my point a bit. =/

Of course if this somehow transforms Barack into the president I was hoping (and voted) for then awesome!
I understand that, to some, this marks an international "holding his feet to the fire".

My point is, more then likely, it won't.
In other words, awards praise and hope do not make the forces subduing real change flee.
If so:
Bush would have been impeached.
Cheney would be in jail.
We'd have begun reversing melting icecaps.
And we all would only have to work one job while driving tesla sportscars.

The second part was to acknowledge the absurdity and question the validity of awarding someone a PEACE prize when their actions obviously don't promote True PEACE.

Are those observations without merit? Am I deranged for contemplating something other then roses and sunshine?

As always, Rachel describes why the right is full of shit. This is particularly relevant as a counter to Ron's diatribe.

http://videosift.com/video/Rachel-Maddow-The-Nobel-Prize-Obama-Derangement-Syndrome

Why am I amazed that Mr. Beck is so obviously deranged? I've known it for a long time, but his religious rant still manages to unnerve me completely. *shiver*

^pennypecker, I know I shouldn't encourage your verbose brand of fringe-right madness by responding, but I'm feeling sporting tonight, so here are a couple of pointers.

1) No offense, but you are absolutely terrible at analogies. I see you fail at it time and time again. If you'd like to stop having your ass handed to you as bea has done above, I'd kindly suggest you work harder at finding analogies that evoke at least some vague semblance of parity. This current analogy is going to continue to fail for you no matter how many times you repeat it. Let it go.

2) Unlike you, Bea is (was) actually a Mormon herself. The Mormon Church is famous for encouraging members to cut off communication with family members who have either left the church, been excommunicated or are of different religious beliefs. I've known enough Mormons and ex-Mormons to confirm this is not even controversial within the community, although individual Mormons may choose to frame it in less damning terms. One of my very close friends was disowned by his Mormon father after coming out of the closet in his teens. Luckily, his mother was smart enough to divorce dad and leave the deranged home wrecking fanaticism of the Mormon church far behind in the Utah dust.

>> ^BoneRemake:
That is a Bolt from a crossbow. It is not a miracle, it is chance and a shitty shot, all with odds and coincidence. I hate cats, could give two shits if that cat got it head on, but the guy who did it is deranged and needs help with an arrow to his own head or a mental ward.


Whew, for a second there I thought the sift was acquiescing to the existence of a deity. Disaster averted!

That is a Bolt from a crossbow. It is not a miracle, it is chance and a shitty shot, all with odds and coincidence. I hate cats, could give two shits if that cat got it head on, but the guy who did it is deranged and needs help with an arrow to his own head or a mental ward.

Lovable Ventura is a "truther" and apparently still suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome. We here at Reality all wish him a speedy recovery.

Obama the Communist should take receipt of his quadrupling the deficit and all the new taxes that will further destroy capitalism, the free market and freedom.

WP and QM can sqwak all they want about how awesome it is to torture (brown) people. But they are in the very very slim minority.

Is anyone still falling for this liberal-commie race card BULLSHIT? Sorry, dawg, "Black" President. No more racism! But for the record, there are not a few Chinese spies I would also love to see strapped to the board...but the chi-comms just don't have the time, they're to busy setting up sweetheart deals for the spouse-owned companies of scum like Diane Feinstink.

I didn't enjoy watching people jump to their deaths off the WTC, and if some piece of excrement whose humanity ended the day he decided killing innocents would futher "THE CAUSE" gets a gallon of water up his nose to disclose the next attack, I'll be the first to crank out the garden hose.

Some "experts" claim torture never works, some say it DOES work. Even as Obamarx further weakens national security in his attempt to revive Bush Derangement Syndrome by releasing classified documents, large sections of text are blacked out. Could it be "torture" actually worked to prevent some further attacks?

Don't look to a lawless cult of personality like Obama for truth, here or anywhere else.

It's the same modus operandi as the global warmist hoaxers: keep the data that supports the pre-made conclusion, throw the rest out.

Pacifism is moral cowardice. Tell your kollij perfessers!

Consider: you're an ineffectual, tyrannical "President" whose sole achievement is running the debt up from 1 trillion to 3 trillion, with zero effect on the economy. You've shown weakness to our enemies that changed nothing. Oh, and you bought a few car companies.

What better way to hide your numerous failures than revive some Bush Derangement Syndrome?

I think David is right. We have distinct mechanisms for evaluating creatures -- the criteria we use for humans, and the criteria we use for everything else.

We hold humans to a much higher standard. We're supposed to cooperate with and love humans. Humans that are ill (mentally or physically) are scary. A non-human that is ill is maybe sad but not particularly threatening, and we don't have such a strict model of non-human behavior that we could tell, anyway.

So once a robot starts getting realistic enough that it turns on our human specific criteria, look out. Every nuance of behavior better be spot on or else you've created something that is perceived as a mentally ill, socially inept stroke victim with a skin disease. I don't think it has anything to do with death. It has everything to do with "this thing is deranged and sick and I don't want to interact with it any more than the crazy person on the subway".

>> ^quantumushroom:
A palliative for those suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome won't save the rest of us from the clueless thugverment boyband Maobama and the Tax Cheats. They're the Jonas Brothers of communism.


Ahh QM, showing sore losers how it's done.

A palliative for those suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome won't save the rest of us from the clueless thugverment boyband Maobama and the Tax Cheats. They're the Jonas Brothers of communism.