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Waiting for qm to promote concealed weapons after this one.

Actually, it's "Do not point your weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot. If I had a gun pointed at me, no, I probably wouldn't try and draw unless I had a shoulder harness under my coat and there was one already in the chamber, but all of this makes no difference to a situation where you could help someone else that's in trouble. >> ^ChaosEngine:

>> ^MarineGunrock:
LOL he's got a gun trained on you! Of course your life is in danger! And no, 10,000 hours is ludicrous to have mastery in firearms, certainly your own if not make makes and models. And yes, I'd shoot someone should they try to steal from me. I wouldn't necessarily attempt a kill shot, but I wouldn't be remorseful if they died from it. Unlike you, I don't want to be walked on and then reward despicable behavior. >> ^ChaosEngine:
>> ^MarineGunrock:
A lot of states require that you go through a short course to legally carry concealed. Not all, and yes, that's only to carry concealed. Still, this does mean you have at least SOME people who are trained.
What does a "short course" entail? An afternoon? A weekend? A week? In every domain I've been involved in, from software development to photography to martial arts, the rough consensus is that it takes 10000 hours to master a skill. I don't consider someone who has taken a "short course" trained, or even competent.
>> ^MarineGunrock:
As for the mugging scenario, if you had a concealed weapon and depending on where you holster it, you could say "okay, I'm reaching for my wallet and then just blast him.
Ok, let's assume I'm mugged by a guy with a gun. What makes you think you'll be able to draw your gun from it's concealed holster and "blast him" before he shoots you? Assuming he's already pointing a gun at you.
Besides, is human life really that cheap that you'd kill someone over your wallet? If I thought he was going to harm me in some way, that's a different story, but the death penalty for robbery seems kinda draconian to me. If someone is desperate enough to mug someone, they're probably in a pretty messed up way. I'd prefer to respond like this.


Ah, I made the mistake of assuming you had a) some knowledge of the subject and b) some humanity.
a) I don't know much about firearms but I know people who do, and every single one of them has said you don't point a gun at anything you don't intend to kill. I'm absolutely sure that some muppet with a weekend training course is going to be able to draw, aim and hit before being shot. yeah, right.
b) I'd rather be "walked on" and walk away than take a human life over whatever few dollars I happen to have in my wallet.
Clearly, you've seen one too many hollywood movies. Enjoy living in your fantasy land.

>> ^MarineGunrock:

LOL he's got a gun trained on you! Of course your life is in danger! And no, 10,000 hours is ludicrous to have mastery in firearms, certainly your own if not make makes and models. And yes, I'd shoot someone should they try to steal from me. I wouldn't necessarily attempt a kill shot, but I wouldn't be remorseful if they died from it. Unlike you, I don't want to be walked on and then reward despicable behavior. >> ^ChaosEngine:
>> ^MarineGunrock:
A lot of states require that you go through a short course to legally carry concealed. Not all, and yes, that's only to carry concealed. Still, this does mean you have at least SOME people who are trained.
What does a "short course" entail? An afternoon? A weekend? A week? In every domain I've been involved in, from software development to photography to martial arts, the rough consensus is that it takes 10000 hours to master a skill. I don't consider someone who has taken a "short course" trained, or even competent.
>> ^MarineGunrock:
As for the mugging scenario, if you had a concealed weapon and depending on where you holster it, you could say "okay, I'm reaching for my wallet and then just blast him.
Ok, let's assume I'm mugged by a guy with a gun. What makes you think you'll be able to draw your gun from it's concealed holster and "blast him" before he shoots you? Assuming he's already pointing a gun at you.
Besides, is human life really that cheap that you'd kill someone over your wallet? If I thought he was going to harm me in some way, that's a different story, but the death penalty for robbery seems kinda draconian to me. If someone is desperate enough to mug someone, they're probably in a pretty messed up way. I'd prefer to respond like this.



Ah, I made the mistake of assuming you had a) some knowledge of the subject and b) some humanity.

a) I don't know much about firearms but I know people who do, and every single one of them has said you don't point a gun at anything you don't intend to kill. I'm absolutely sure that some muppet with a weekend training course is going to be able to draw, aim and hit before being shot. yeah, right.

b) I'd rather be "walked on" and walk away than take a human life over whatever few dollars I happen to have in my wallet.

Clearly, you've seen one too many hollywood movies. Enjoy living in your fantasy land.

LOL he's got a gun trained on you! Of course your life is in danger! And no, 10,000 hours is ludicrous to have mastery in firearms, certainly your own if not make makes and models. And yes, I'd shoot someone should they try to steal from me. I wouldn't necessarily attempt a kill shot, but I wouldn't be remorseful if they died from it. Unlike you, I don't want to be walked on and then reward despicable behavior. >> ^ChaosEngine:

>> ^MarineGunrock:
A lot of states require that you go through a short course to legally carry concealed. Not all, and yes, that's only to carry concealed. Still, this does mean you have at least SOME people who are trained.
What does a "short course" entail? An afternoon? A weekend? A week? In every domain I've been involved in, from software development to photography to martial arts, the rough consensus is that it takes 10000 hours to master a skill. I don't consider someone who has taken a "short course" trained, or even competent.
>> ^MarineGunrock:
As for the mugging scenario, if you had a concealed weapon and depending on where you holster it, you could say "okay, I'm reaching for my wallet and then just blast him.
Ok, let's assume I'm mugged by a guy with a gun. What makes you think you'll be able to draw your gun from it's concealed holster and "blast him" before he shoots you? Assuming he's already pointing a gun at you.
Besides, is human life really that cheap that you'd kill someone over your wallet? If I thought he was going to harm me in some way, that's a different story, but the death penalty for robbery seems kinda draconian to me. If someone is desperate enough to mug someone, they're probably in a pretty messed up way. I'd prefer to respond like this.

>> ^MarineGunrock:

A lot of states require that you go through a short course to legally carry concealed. Not all, and yes, that's only to carry concealed. Still, this does mean you have at least SOME people who are trained.

What does a "short course" entail? An afternoon? A weekend? A week? In every domain I've been involved in, from software development to photography to martial arts, the rough consensus is that it takes 10000 hours to master a skill. I don't consider someone who has taken a "short course" trained, or even competent.
>> ^MarineGunrock:

As for the mugging scenario, if you had a concealed weapon and depending on where you holster it, you could say "okay, I'm reaching for my wallet and then just blast him.

Ok, let's assume I'm mugged by a guy with a gun. What makes you think you'll be able to draw your gun from it's concealed holster and "blast him" before he shoots you? Assuming he's already pointing a gun at you.

Besides, is human life really that cheap that you'd kill someone over your wallet? If I thought he was going to harm me in some way, that's a different story, but the death penalty for robbery seems kinda draconian to me. If someone is desperate enough to mug someone, they're probably in a pretty messed up way. I'd prefer to respond like this.

A lot of states require that you go through a short course to legally carry concealed. Not all, and yes, that's only to carry concealed. Still, this does mean you have at least SOME people who are trained.

As for the mugging scenario, if you had a concealed weapon and depending on where you holster it, you could say "okay, I'm reaching for my wallet and then just blast him.>> ^ChaosEngine:

>> ^MarineGunrock:
@ChaosEngine:

Obvuiously an unloaded weapon is useless. The guy is an idiot. But you'd have to be a moron to think that never in the history of guns has someone that's legally carrying stopped a crime with their weapon. I read an article not more than a week ago about some guy who got caught in a mugging, but instead of handing over his wallet, he shot the crook.

@MarineGunrock, I'm not saying that a legally carried gun has never stopped a crime. What I'd like to know is how often it happens and what the percentage outcome is, i.e. average joe citizen tries to intervene with a gun and ends making it worse? better? I don't have any numbers, but I can't help but feel adding an amateur with firearms into a situation only makes it worse.
As for the mugging scenario, I'd hand over my wallet. Every time. Simply not worth the risk for the sake of a few bucks. Hell, I wouldn't even wish the mugger death over that.

Agreed, but calling him out made me feel a bit better

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If you look at a few other post from this wonderful sifter you start to get a pretty clear indication that VERY little he says isn't utter BS and they are more interested in getting reactions out of folks... just my opinion anyway...

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>> ^cito:

I hate pigs, I have a friend of mine who became a cop out of highschool, he was in there about 2 years but he quit and turned whistleblower for GBI. The local cops were hitting up drug dealers, would threaten them with arrest unless they turned over their drugs and money. If they refused or ran they got beat. The cops would then smoke the pot, and sell the rest. Then use the dealers money to augment their own salaries.
My friend was actually shown how he could get 2 or 3 dealers of his own, and run the racket to give himself a pay raise by using threats of arrest to take all the money of the dealers for himself.
anyhow he turned whistleblower and they fired 32 police and the sheriff in town. Since we are a smaller town there was no chief, the sheriff ran it all.
Anyhow I could write a book on corrupt pigs from all the stories I was told from the inside.
people seriously need to rise up and drag these pigs into centers of streets and beat them until they can only crawl home. And do it on a mass scale across the country.


"Pigs"? Seriously? Grow the fuck up. Idiot.

>> ^rottenseed:

>> ^quantumushroom:
The bad eggs are out there, but that's all they are, bad eggs. This is not the norm.
I was most surprised they searched the car without permission. Unlike the clueless Taser tards, this poor guy has a good case for suing.

it's just disheartening that they bestow such power upon the "bad eggs". In fact, it seems like such a power may even be a magnet for bad eggs.


Ding! Ding! Ding!

In reply to this comment by MrFisk:
"It's not where your going, it's what you're doing."

Sadly, your numbers may be accurate, or even generous. My feeling is it's in the nature of the job to take normal, healthy, well-meaning people who just want to help their community, and slowly turn most of them into egomaniacal bullies with persecution complexes.

I'm not sure it's the training that "Role model cop" received or gives, as much as it's his own inner strength of character that has kept him that cool, a strength which 99% of us lack. Faced with jerks like they have to face all the time, being lied to, taunted, threatened and attacked daily, I think I'd develop an unhealthy hate-on for basically all people who weren't cops. I'd even empathise with and protect the bad eggs because I know what they're looking at and what it can do to a person.

So, empathy is a great thing, but we all, including cops, have to learn it for people other than those like ourselves.

And we need to prosecute abuses of authority.>> ^kceaton1:
For each good apple there is a bad one.

Cops certainly are not all bad eggs, in the sense that they don't all abuse their power over civilians, but a distressing proportion are, and they are not kept in line by anyone, so they tacitly are given this power by their supervisors, and on up the chain. It obviously hasn't even occurred to this officer that there might be consequences for the way he's treating this suspect. Cops all protect one another, good and bad. Even the "Role model cop" would circle the wagons around this guy, who's clearly abusing his power. THAT's the problem.

If abusive cops were brought to justice the same way abusive non-cops are brought to justice, these videos would be insignificant, or just sad, or even funny, like watching stupid thieves getting caught in ventilation shafts. Until that time comes, we need more public awareness and action towards fair, repsectul policing.>> ^quantumushroom:

The bad eggs are out there, but that's all they are, bad eggs. This is not the norm.
I was most surprised they searched the car without permission. Unlike the clueless Taser tards, this poor guy has a good case for suing.

Well, they're not bestowed abusive power with the State's blessing. Yes, it sucks to see this, but how great that many people can see this thanks to the cams.

>> ^rottenseed:

>> ^quantumushroom:
The bad eggs are out there, but that's all they are, bad eggs. This is not the norm.
I was most surprised they searched the car without permission. Unlike the clueless Taser tards, this poor guy has a good case for suing.

it's just disheartening that they bestow such power upon the "bad eggs". In fact, it seems like such a power may even be a magnet for bad eggs.

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What he meant was "Corrupted Bureaucrat". ..I think.

>> ^ChaosEngine:

>> ^cito:
I hate pigs, I have a friend of mine who became a cop out of highschool, he was in there about 2 years but he quit and turned whistleblower for GBI. The local cops were hitting up drug dealers, would threaten them with arrest unless they turned over their drugs and money. If they refused or ran they got beat. The cops would then smoke the pot, and sell the rest. Then use the dealers money to augment their own salaries.
My friend was actually shown how he could get 2 or 3 dealers of his own, and run the racket to give himself a pay raise by using threats of arrest to take all the money of the dealers for himself.
anyhow he turned whistleblower and they fired 32 police and the sheriff in town. Since we are a smaller town there was no chief, the sheriff ran it all.
Anyhow I could write a book on corrupt pigs from all the stories I was told from the inside.
people seriously need to rise up and drag these pigs into centers of streets and beat them until they can only crawl home. And do it on a mass scale across the country.

"Pigs"? Seriously? Grow the fuck up. Idiot.