Not entirely sure I disagree with their choice. This is child-friendly popcorn fluff, not Citizen Kane...

List of Films used:

Yojimbo (1961)
Secret of the Incas (1954)
Casablanca (1942)
Zorro Rides Again (1937)
Stagecoach (1939)
Zorro’s Fighting Legion (1939)
Lawrence of Arabia (1962)
Foolish Wives (1922)
Kiss Me Deadly (1955)
Citizen Kane (1941)

<Citizen Kane clap>

Acknowledging that you may be wrong does not mean you were not being incredibly condescending.

Will this be the next Citizen Kane? No. And no one is asking it to be. It has the potential to be a well crafted summer blockbuster. And no, a big budget blockbuster is not inherently inferior to a small indie movie like Moon. Duncan Jones did not base himself to make a movie for the masses. It's that kind of elitist attitude that is condescending.

And no, you cannot comment on the quality of the movie based on a 15 second teaser, so far before release. All it shows is that Duncan Jones respects the source material, at least visually.

And as for Warcraft not being known for its story? Well, they made a good movie out of a Disney theme park ride, so anything can happen.

Kids in the Hall sketches are also more thought provoking than SNL. SNL is more of a contemporary pop culture reference machine like Mad magazine and Family Guy.

The pop cultural references in KitH are to things of higher value like early cinema classics (Citizen Kane), Nietzsche, Morrison Hotel, surrealism, film noir; and with heavy pro LGBT, pro environmental (the beaver!) and anti corporate themes; displaying the frivolity of office politics, and the HARDCORE Canadian law enforcement.

What does SNL give but a couple'a chuckles, eh?

It was a fun, well made action flick with decent characters. It wasn't Citizen Kane but it was an excellent example of what it wanted to be.

Grand Budapest Hotel though, was very overrated IMHO. Not that it was bad, but it wasn't nearly as good as The Life Aquatic.

You know what movie was missing from this list? Citizen Kane. It was Citizen Kane, it was Citizen Kane -- IT WAS CITIZEN KANE!

Suddenly feeling very stabby.

Yeah, who wants to have special effects in a superhero movie... right!?!
on that note, the winter soldier storyline was one of the best (if not the best) Captain America storylines in 20+ yrs... with the recent infringement on personal freedoms/liberties in the states, this movie has a good opportunity to have some social commentary... is it going to be Citizen Kane? probably not, but a smart, entertaining, thrill ride? quite possibly. I'm looking forward to it

Citizen Kane, obvious special effects too... didn't see it (but really I did)

I love a good violent action scene but it's starting to get a bit silly. I mean, is this snuff?

Citizen Kane, this is not. That said, I'm so there!

>> ^Quboid:

@therealblankman - or anyone else - can you name anything specific that Citizen Kane did? How was lighting different?
I've heard that it was the first film to use camera angles to portray power (e.g. looking up at someone dominating) which seems obvious to me and I've never made any films. Also I've heard it was the first to have ceilings on sets, which would go hand-in-hand with more camera angles. Before Citizen Kane, cameras were just placed at the normal approximately head height? That seems incredible.
I assume these weren't actually the first, like in 3D gaming (my forte), Doom is generally considered the first 3D game when it's not and Quake considered the first true 3D game when it's not - they were just the first to really bring this to the forefront.
Edit: Damn, that Touch of Evil shot is impressive. That must have been hell to organise.


Well I could babble on, but really I'd mostly be regurgitating Wikipedia so have a look for yourself... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen_Kane#Filmmaking_innovations

And I'm glad you agree about Touch of Evil. You should really see the whole movie of course. It's not a "chore" like Kane, the only challenge really is suspending disbelief and accepting Charlton Heston as a Mexican police chief!

@therealblankman - or anyone else - can you name anything specific that Citizen Kane did? How was lighting different?

I've heard that it was the first film to use camera angles to portray power (e.g. looking up at someone dominating) which seems obvious to me and I've never made any films. Also I've heard it was the first to have ceilings on sets, which would go hand-in-hand with more camera angles. Before Citizen Kane, cameras were just placed at the normal approximately head height? That seems incredible.

I assume these weren't actually the first, like in 3D gaming (my forte), Doom is generally considered the first 3D game when it's not and Quake considered the first true 3D game when it's not - they were just the first to really bring this to the forefront.

Edit: Damn, that Touch of Evil shot is impressive. That must have been hell to organise.

>> ^Quboid:

>> ^ant:
Citizen Kane put me to sleep, Godfather was decent but not my type of flick, Star Wars movie was good, etc.

Citizen Kane was a chore, I only watched it because, well, people like this guy. I didn't notice anything special about it at all. I can only assume that the clever, innovative stuff it did has been repeated in every other movie I've seen so I'm accustomed to it. Maybe if I'd only seen pre-Kane movies before seeing it, it would blow my mind.


You've got it exactly right, after Citizen Kane movies were changed forever. The non-linear way the story was told had never been tried, and the camera and lighting were used in completely innovative ways. Hell, in one scene when Welles couldn't get the camera angle that he wanted he grabbed a pickaxe and shovel and dug a deep hole in the middle of the set in which to place the camera!

Truth is though, my favorite Orson Welles movie is "Touch of Evil" with Janet Leigh, Charlton Heston and Welles himself playing one of the most disgusting villains ever portrayed on film. The opening shot alone is a masterpiece, an uncut tracking and crane shot that goes for more than 3 minutes. Fantastic stuff.

Check out the opening scene here... http://videosift.com/video/Opening-shot-to-Touch-of-Evil

No director has ever surpassed this scene... Altman made a great effort in "The Player" and Scorsese came close in "Goodfellas", but still not quite.

>> ^ant:

Citizen Kane put me to sleep, Godfather was decent but not my type of flick, Star Wars movie was good, etc.


Citizen Kane was a chore, I only watched it because, well, people like this guy. I didn't notice anything special about it at all. I can only assume that the clever, innovative stuff it did has been repeated in every other movie I've seen so I'm accustomed to it. Maybe if I'd only seen pre-Kane movies before seeing it, it would blow my mind.

Citizen Kane put me to sleep, Godfather was decent but not my type of flick, Star Wars movie was good, etc.

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That's what was missing from Citizen Kane - freeway car flips. Michael Bay should do a remake.>> ^spoco2:

>> ^dag:
Well how about the free pass that Bay gets to make the same rock-m-sock-em robot movie over and over. God, if I never see another Transformer again in my life I'll be happy.
What's wrong with you? Don't you want to see a car chase on a freeway again?
With cars flipping over?
Come on, we all love cars flipping.
On freeways.