This is the exact problem with thinking today, we don't allow kids to grow up. We have mothers calling in to their child's employer because he dared to give a negative review. We have employees that feel they are entitled to the same pay rate as their manager because they work 40 hours a week. Loving parents protecting their child?! Your child is 27! He/she isn't a child they're an adult! If they have a handicap that prevents them from being able to work and provide for themselves then they should be able to retain coverage. Outside of that the best and only reason I could see paying $3600 a year per enrolled "Adult/Child" would be if the current uninsured medical expenses for 19-27 year olds drastically outweighed the costs for the new program. But I haven't seen any statistics relating to that. Yes 30% of 19-27 year old adults do not have insurance. But how much is that fact costing us each year and how much would it cost us each year if we insured each and every one of them?
The $3600 is a government estimate for 2013, and since the government does their estimating with chickens pecking at player pianos I sincerely doubt the costs will be in line.

If the premiums are being paid anyway why don't the parents just pay for their kids insurance?
I fully expect that if Obamacare goes into effect that I will lose my employer provided insurance. If by some act of God I do not lose my coverage then I fully expect that my rates will drastically increase and my family coverage plan will become even more expensive as people load on their precious 22 year old "kids" to the program. So this means that my family will pay even more for my daughters insurance because someone else can't put a foot of common sense up their kids ass.

>> ^bareboards2:

You do understand that insurance premiums are being paid, don't you?
This isn't a freebie giveaway. It is allowing loving parents to protect their children.
What the hell is wrong with you?

>> ^My_design:
Maybe since you can now cover a child under healthcare until 27 we should change the legal drinking age to 27 as well. How about claiming them as an exemption on taxes until 27 and being considered underage inregards to sexual relationships until 27 as well.

>> ^RedSky:

Brilliant. If science took your attitude of being unwilling (or as I suspect, incapable) of even making a hypothesis we would have never made it past the stone age.
Just admit the fact that there is simply nothing idiosynchratic enough about the US besides its gun ownership rate compared to other developed countries, will ya?
Everyone outside of the US gun industry and NRA distortion field, outside the self-destructive American gun-obsessed culture has known this for decades.


Ad hominem attacks against my capacity for intelligence. Check.

And apparently I live in a country of gun-toting dullards and every other country in the world is brilliant beyond comparison.

Anything else you'd like to add before I end this tired banter? I don't want you to leave feeling like you had more to say, because it would be a tragedy if you were robbed of that sense of indignant supremacy you'll undoubtedly have as you go back to your remarkable life as a 22 year old, navel-gazing intellectual telling "Americans" on the internet how they're doing it wrong and secretly wishing those around you interpret your arrogance and elitism as intelligence.

4 more comments have been lost in the ether at this killed duplicate.

Impressive technology both then and perhaps even now, that some players still work and its freaking vynil. I remember all the rich kids in the early 80s had one of these! Of course when the NES made its debut nobody cared about CED players anymore.

From the youtube page "in general the video quality is quite good, considering that the newest disc made is 22 years old. I don't think that 22-year-old VHS tapes would hold up quite so well."

I have the 1984 cassette release of Star Wars on my hands and they still look reasonably good considering their age, the most impressive bit is that VHS Hi-Fi is nearly CD quality on all the old commercial tapes I have despite how old they are. It's hard to tell the difference between DVD stereo sound and VHS Hi-Fi on some of them.

Luckily I wrote this out for somebody a few days ago:

When I was still fairly new in the air and about 22 years old, I was flying from Montreal to Winnipeg by myself in a rented Cessna as part of my pilot training. Because a Cessna 172 goes about 200 KPH and has enough fuel for four hours maximum, and the total distance was over 2,000 km, this meant many hours of flight and a lot of fuel stops.

Nearing the Quebec-Ontario border, I landed in Val d'Or to refuel and get a new weather briefing for my route. I called the weather service and they said I could probably expect to get to Timmins, ON, an hour away, without the three thousand foot ceiling coming down on me. I took off and flew west, and after about half an hour, it sure as hell did.

A hard rain drummed so intensely on my wings that it drowned out the loud drone of the engine and the cloudbase fell rapidly so that I couldn't see far at all. I had just passed Rouyn-Noranda with its airport and I turned back towards it, but by the time I was over downtown the weather made it so I couldn't see the airport anymore even though it was only four miles away. At the time I wasn't qualified to fly by instruments only and I was already in a pickle, and if the weather lowered much more then I would be basically blind and with diminishing hopes of getting to terra firma since only helicopters can land without at least a bit of forward visibility.

I was on the radio with the unicom operator at the airport, but as with most medium-small airports, he was no air-traffic controller, basically just a guy with a radio and a couple other gizmos but no radar and no real training when it came to helping a pilot in trouble -- which I was on the verge of becoming.

I was beginning to fly a sort of ersatz search pattern looking for the airport and I was starting to just head for whatever lights I could see through the darkening fog but they kept turning out to be this farm or that one and the weather seemed to be getting worse, with its attendant visibility loss and my odds slowly but steadily falling off more yet. It was a bit like going 100 on the freeway in fog when you can only see one second in front of you but no way to really slow down or otherwise make things safer. The rainclouds were creeping into the cockpit, damp and cold, and I couldn't help thinking it was the kind of air you find in a tomb.

Then all at once the next cluster of lights turned out to be the Noranda airport and I shouted my glee and relief over the radio. The landing itself was utterly simple and I taxiied to the apron and got out and got wet in the steady rain as I tied the airplane down. As I was finishing up, the rain came down much harder and the sky fell much more and I thanked God I wasn't still up there because getting down without a crash would've been twice as hard. I visited the stubby aerie where the unicom guy sat alone -- we were about the same age -- and I thanked him for his help and hung out for a little while, unwinding, before I called a cab to take me to a hotel in town.

Man, that was some awesome playing by a 22-year old Tony Williams! And anything with Wayne Shorter = automatic upvote from me. I love how he ends his solo here.

>> ^mxxcon:
watching this clip and thinking about the future and past made me a depressed 30 year old


I was already a depressed 31 year old before watching it, now I'm looking forward to when I'm 41 and can hook up with 22 year old girls who are old souls.

Dashcam video by Richardson police shows bullets from high-powered rifles flying through the window of a police cruiser, as the so-called Takeover Bandits made their getaway following a bank robbery on 11/04/2004.

Richardson officers responded to a call that the American First National Bank at 400 N. Greenville Ave. was being robbed. They caught up with the fleeing suspects and began a chase that took them north on Central Expressway and into Plano.

The video from one vehicle shows an officer attempting to follow the suspects' getaway car on to the highway when the suspect vehicle suddenly veers back onto the service road and unleashes a storm of bullets, shattering the rear window of their car and piercing the front of the police cruiser.

Another dashcam view from several minutes later in the chase shows the suspects, who by now had abandoned their first vehicle and stolen another, slamming into a pole at the intersection of Jupiter and Summit in East Plano.

The suspects jump out of the car, grab what appears to be some bags from the vehicle, and continue shooting at Richardson and Plano police officers.

Police: Lack of assault weapons results in disadvantage
Amazingly, no officers were shot; only one officer suffered minor injuries from flying glass.

One of the suspects in the robbery, 31-year-old Guadalupe Fajardo, turned himself in to authorities in the Panhandle town of Slayton, where he was apparently visiting relatives. Fajardo was transported back to North Texas Monday afternoon.

FBI is asking for the public's help to find the third member of the "takeover bandits." A $50,000 reward is being offered for information leading to the arrest of 22-year-old Ramon Gavina.

Gavina's brother, Roberto Gavina, was arrested earlier during an FBI raided an apartment complex in the 3700 block of Gus Thomasson in Dallas.

Update: March 14, 2005

DALLAS -- The third member of a violent gang of bank robbers responsible for 60 armed robberies and a shootout with Richardson, Texas, police has been arrested in Mexico, police said Monday.

Ramone Gavina, 22, believed to be part of the "Takeover" Bandits, was taken into custody by Mexican authorities on a charge unrelated to the bank robberies in North Texas. Mexican police released Gavina before realizing he was wanted in the United States. Police later rearrested Gavina.

Police said Gavina and the other members of the Takeover Bandits escaped Richardson police Nov. 4 during a gun battle that disabled five police cars while fleeing from a bank robbery.

I feel sorry for them too, but not in the way you do. Every one of them on this show realizes that they are doing something horribly wrong, and yet they do it anyway. I feel sorry for them for the punishment they are going to get in the afterlife. It would be better if they had never been born.



>> ^dannym3141:
After watching this show for months, i find that the some (not all) of the peodos i end up just feeling sorry for.
The ones i'm talking about are the cases that look like a 22 year old who just hasn't grown up, as though they just skipped 7 years of their life and never had the teenage years. I can partially identify with feeling like you didn't have those years due to certain aspects of my life stealing those same years from me, and perhaps that's why i just sympathise with them.
Not sympathise as in "poor guy, let him have sex with that 13 year old".. i mean "poor guy, i don't think he realises the age gap". I think someone in that mental position is about as capable of "choosing their own way in life" as a 13 year old is capable of making decisions about who they're about to have sex with, and from there i can almost compare it to two 14 year olds trying it on for the first time.
Then i remember a picture of a "paedophile" i saw when i was a bit younger, he looked like he was about 16 and my immediate reaction to half the story was "how can they call him a paedophile?". Then i found out he was 22 and he'd arrived to pick up the under-age girl from an airport with a pistol and various shackles.
And then, of course, i think "what if that was my daughter?" It all leaves me very confused about this show.
I hope this came across in the right way Never ever would i condone anyone over the legal age of consent having sex with someone under it.
[this isn't about this video really, just a conversation piece]

After watching this show for months, i find that the some (not all) of the peodos i end up just feeling sorry for.

The ones i'm talking about are the cases that look like a 22 year old who just hasn't grown up, as though they just skipped 7 years of their life and never had the teenage years. I can partially identify with feeling like you didn't have those years due to certain aspects of my life stealing those same years from me, and perhaps that's why i just sympathise with them.

Not sympathise as in "poor guy, let him have sex with that 13 year old".. i mean "poor guy, i don't think he realises the age gap". I think someone in that mental position is about as capable of "choosing their own way in life" as a 13 year old is capable of making decisions about who they're about to have sex with, and from there i can almost compare it to two 14 year olds trying it on for the first time.

Then i remember a picture of a "paedophile" i saw when i was a bit younger, he looked like he was about 16 and my immediate reaction to half the story was "how can they call him a paedophile?". Then i found out he was 22 and he'd arrived to pick up the under-age girl from an airport with a pistol and various shackles.

And then, of course, i think "what if that was my daughter?" It all leaves me very confused about this show.

I hope this came across in the right way Never ever would i condone anyone over the legal age of consent having sex with someone under it.

[this isn't about this video really, just a conversation piece]

>> ^GeeSussFreeK:
>> ^jwray:
Sarah Palin is an ignorant fundamentalist who caused her youngest child to get down syndrome by having him too late in her life. BR>
That has to be the most crazy thing I have ever heard.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Trisomy21_graph.jpg

It's wrong to cause human suffering intentionally or through gross negligence. 43 is too old to safely have kids. The chance of the child of a 43 year old to be born with Down Syndrome is 1 in 30. For a 22 year old mother, it's a hundred times less. She should not have gotten pregnant at 43. It's not as bad as getting pregnant while addicted to crack, but it's still gross negligence.

Nobody here suggested killing anybody, so take your staw man arguments and shove them up your ass.

>> ^NinjaFish:
>> ^nickreal03:
When people will realize that we are just organic machines? Nothing special here please move on.

"thats like, your opinion.. man"


The dude abides.

We have the equivalents of grafted heads on non-functioning bodies already. That would be the C1-C2 spinal cord injuries that are ventilator dependent and completely paralyzed. I was attending an international critical care conference back a few decades ago, and we were discussing the ethics of taking a 22 year old man, a C2 quad injured in a motorcycle accident, off his ventilator to allow him to die. To compound the dilemma, the patient had requested no sedation be administered as he wanted to experience the sensation of dying. The U.S. physicians clearly stood out from the rest of the international community on the issue. Most of the U.S. docs said they would not remove an entirely conscious person from life support, that they would treat their depression and get them counseling, etc. etc. The European, Canadian, and Australians on the panel were of the strongest opinion that if they considered the patient to be of sound mind, they would grant their wish to preserve the right of self determination. Although, they said they would strongly encourage him to consider sedation for the event.

I, for one, am a strong advocate of a person's right for self-determination, as long as the patient isn't mentally ill. I think it's extremely arrogant to judge a person's quality of life and think that judgment should supersede the patient's own determination.

I would not want to continue living as an isolated brain. And I would greatly resent anyone trying to force me to do so.

Wow! 22 years old?!? I want to say this is unbelievable, but I've sort of become desensitized over the past 7 years.

And also, how fucked up is Washington today where you now have Democrats from North Dakota having to preach platform conservative values?

"cable-knit" - That's hilarious!


And you're right, a 22 year old guy should not know what a cable-knit is.

$500. But it's not age that matters for deductible. It's high to keep my premiums low. Not a lot of 22 year old guys drive $22,000+ cars. I can't wait for my box of driving talent to get here.