Yeah, johnald, because 22 year old guys outside the military never fuck with each other and mess around to have a good time. Grow the fuck up.

@rougy: Because it's funny.

I, on the other hand, DO have enough time to write a long response, so here we go: *cracks knuckles*

1. I,m sorry i wasn't around earlier to get in on this one. I love to offer my opinion and insights into threads like this, since i meet the proper demographics. Male, Caucasian, Heterosexual, between the ages of 18-24. Now, the previous demographics are what makes up a VERY large portion of our armed forces. Being that i AM in the armed forces, (now that MG is out i think in one of the only ones still in that posts around here) I would like to think i can offer some insight to all of this. I will try to stay non-biased, and will let you know when I'm offering MY opinion.

Ok, MY opinion first. I am in the same boat as MG in that i don't believe in homosexuality. I don't hate the people i hate what they are doing. I promise i wont use the Adam and Steve approach as it is way over done, however, if being gay was natural, penis slapping and "scissoring" (the south park 300 episode) would make babies. Well I've seen allot of crazy videos deemed not appropriate for the sift, and i'm pretty sure it doesn't match what i learned in sex-ed way back when. Now, also just like MG, i have had gay friends, but unlike MG do not any longer, only because I've been serving over 4 years now, and they are far and few between around here. I'm not saying gays shouldn't be allowed to serve, by all means, if you have in in your heart to give yourself to your country, be my guest.

Now trying to stay objective. I'm not like most 22 year old guys who would be weirded out by the fact there are gay guys in the shower room or whatever. I honestly don't care. I'm married to a beautiful woman, and my first child is one the way. I'm confident in my sexuality that i can say Pierce Brennan's is a good looking guy. Does that mean i want to jump his bone? no. So personally i wouldn't care if a guy was checking my shit out, and i knew there was a gay guy in the shower. So long as hes not doing it to the point that its obvious. but OTHER soldiers my age, would have a shit fit. Lets face it, This is just the society that people are being raised in. Our culture foster it. now i understand there is allot of action against it. cool. got it. All im saying is that the don't ask don't tell policy does work, but not for keeping gays out, it works by giving the "straight" guys peace of mind. Its human nature. If we don't know its there, its not. So if we don't know this guy is gay, then hes not, and therefore don't have to worry about it. I served with an openly gay gay the last time i was in Korea. Now this guy was ATFU to begin with, but once he came out that brought about a whole new world of shit. Maybe its because the chain of command were bigots, maybe it had something to do with the fact that he asked another kid to suck his dick. (honestly, thats how we all found out)

From talking to soldiers and just listening to soldiers talk, having openly gays in the military would be harmfull. At least until our culture and society accepts them on the whole. Openly gay soldiers will (not all the time) be ostracized, outlasted and lonely (though not from the command, from the tight knit band of the platoon) This one lonesome soldier will more than likely be so depressed by all this they are worth nothing as far as productivity. And if they are not used to being treated like this, have a chance of slipping into depression, and god forbid, suicidal thoughts. And you can't tell me that this wont have an impact on mission readiness/performance.

Moving onto Sometimes:

I applaud your detective work in the scripture. My bible was unfortunately one thing i forgot to bring to Korea with me. I will say this however. The bible is a translation of a translation of a translation. But its the best I have so I will use it. Anyways, what im saying is that a couple line of scripture here and there don't say anything. In a Michael Moore-esque way they do yes, but the bible is all about context. Unfortunately i cant go look all the scriptures up right now, so I don't know what context that is in. I do know however that the bible is basically one huge metaphor. Stoning might not actually mean stoning. Im going to have to look those up. Besides, the argument of Christian values is more or less invalid from your point. If God decrees that something is wrong and someone did it, and the townsfolk stoned him, they were doing Gods work, so yes stoning the little bastard might be in line with Christian values. Again i have to read that scripture.

@ Berticus. you said:

@Lurch: Why would someone choose homosexuality, knowing the amount of grief they're going to have to suffer through? Also, there are hypotheses about how homosexuality could be evolutionarily adaptive.

@MarineGunrock: If sex is purely for procreation, then you have only ever had sex with the goal in mind of making children? Have you ever used a condom? Have you ever had oral sex? That isn't for procreation... unless I have a profound misunderstanding of anatomy.

As far as choosing to do something that brings them grief. I like Michael jack son, and i get shit for it, but i still listen to it. Granted its little tiny shits, but none the less. people like it, so they do it. Now as far as sex for pleasure.. well, Sex is awesome. Hell yes. Allot of people do anal. Straight men love to pound butt. woman kinda butt. they aren't gay. But i'm sure gay men love to pound but. hairy man-ass kinda but. Both kinds of guy enjoy it. Now take your S&M or 2g1c (2 girls 1 cup. I just shortened it. Yeah that just happened) kind of people. Theres no way in fuck your genetically predispositioned to liking people bite your nipples with a pair of vice grips or someone shitting on your face. People choose to like that shit. Yeah i choose to love sex with woman. lesbians do the same.

@ Skeeve, since no one clarified this one yet. We have the same kind of entry standards, but they stay skewed even after entry. Men and woman are NOT equal in the military. Now, if the gays in my army just like the skin flute but can still pull their weight, cool. If they are the kinda HEEEEEEAAAAAAYYYYYY kinda gays, who are too concerned with nails and hair and shit (referred to as fags by gay people that i know) then no, i don't want them. Nor do i want the straight females who do the same thing. Its not always about being gay.

@Farhad2000. You say the GOV shouldn't have any say on what goes on in your bedroom? Thing about it is, when these people enlist they are told these policies and they still joined. Now, its pretty much a policy in every unit,, gay or straight sex is not allowed in the barracks. If anyone out there says anything about people not knowing that when they enlist, this is for you: They shoulda asked. "hey when i get to my unit, can i bang chicks in my room?"

Wow. i was going to keep going, but i just realized how long this was getting. rembar, you got lucky hahah

I understand a coach defending a player for an attack on his character. I just thought playing the "kid" card for a 22 year old young man was going a bit too far.

Who's the kid here is right. Isn't the coach talking about a 22 year old 6'3" 230lb grown man? Sure he's a student and a young man...but the coach is talking about him as if he was a 12 year old kid.

OMAHA, Neb. Two things made Chistopher Willever's drunken theft of a Tobacco Hut even worse as he crawled across the store floor _ a lousy belt and his camera-loving backside.

Omaha's bare-bottom bandit was sentenced to three to five years in prison today for his March crime that earned him the fitting distinction.

Douglas County District Judge Thomas Otepka told the 22-year-old Willever -- quote -- "You were an ass in every true sense of the word in this crime."

Willever's public defender says Willever was tired of being poor so he drank a fifth of rum and decided to rob the store.

He was drunk enough not to realize that his pants had fallen down, exposing his bottom to cameras that eventually fed the surveillance to TV shows across the country.

Excuse me while I wipe a tear at the beauty of both my original statements and ripostes...


Ivory tower eggheads divorced from reality are even less credible than so-called chickenhawks."

- Ah! That's such a ridiculous statement to make. Tell that to all the families that lost sons, daughters, wives, husbands, fathers and mothers.

>>>>>> Which ones? The widows of 9-11? Or all the infidels murdered by islamist wackjobs?


If America were truly an empire, we would've kept all that territory we conquered in WW2 as our own.

- This is so stupid I can't even formulate a reply.

>>>>>> Well, no one said a liberal would have an easy time with the obvious...


But it didn't happen: instead we used our money to rebuild former enemy nations.

- O rly? So... who equppied both Iran and Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war? Ohhhh it's your republican idols! Wooo!

>>>>>> I'm going to be pissed to find out you're a 22-year-old poli-sci major, aren't I? Fortunately I have milk on hand to quell all desires.