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They tell me that the Media is Liberal even when they speak the truth. They tell me that the Media is against them. They tell me that they are their own ballanced and neutral arbiter.

They tell even the Media to shut up or we will cut you off. Sure, this did work in prior elections, but it will not work this time becuase they can tell the Netroots to shut up, but we will not stand by silently. Not. This. Time.

We, the Netroots, do not have to wait for the Media to cover the story. We will cover it.

We do not have to have the "facts" spoon feed to us. We will find the facts ourselves.

We do not have to wait for permission. We will grant it to ourselves.

So go ahead. Call me a sexist when I actually supported womens rights. I know where I stand.

Go ahead. Call me racist when I am the Black man that has been struggling for this moment. I know what has really happened.

Go ahead. Call me "Liberal" when I am actually firmly in the masses. I know what a mess the "conservatives" have made.

Go ahead. Keep telling me that I am losing when I am in the lead. I know that we will win because it is our time.

You, who love war, who love money, who love power -- your time is up. You had your chance, but no more, not this time, because it is our time. It is time for all of the people -- all of the people of the United States of America.

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oritteropo says...

No, I'm not saying that. I think there is ample historical evidence that wherever you have a capitalist system you will have some people living off the returns of their capital, and that not all of them will be doing anything productive with their lives. I certainly agree with your sentiment that trying to shoehorn real people into caricatures is problematic, and I for one much prefer my world to be in shades of grey rather than simply black and white.

The advantages of using Paris Hilton as your example are, as you stated, that everybody thinks she is one of the idle rich... and any evidence that she draws considerable income from other sources can easily enough be swept under the rug.
In reply to this comment by NetRunner:
So I guess I should just ask point blank, are you saying that my overall premise is wrong, and that there is no such thing as "idle rich"?

And just to make myself explicit, where I was really gonna go with the argument was that there's a fundamental problem with castigating "idleness" and valorizing "work", especially if your definition of "idle" is "not receiving any income" and "work" as "receiving income from any source".

Paris Hilton is an awesome springboard from the usual "welfare queens vs. captains of industry" conversation into something a little more grounded in reality, since both welfare queens and captains of industry are just figments of our imagination. The real people we lump into those categories never live up to those caricatures.

BoneRemake says...

Krafts fine products might influence me a little. But I am not on the payroll....Yet
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>> ^BoneRemake:

Oh wait I gotcha ~!

dupeof=http://videosift.com/video/Mike-Daisey-on-Collaborating-with-Corporations
Lets wait for someone to isupe it shall we instead of the other thing.
it is sifted already netrunner, if you want to bring it to the peoples eyes then quality or promote it. Your no more special than anyone else, the rules apply to your videos just as Everyone else.

PEANUT BUTTER !


What are you, a corporation or something?

oritteropo says...

No, and in fact the people I can think of who lived off their inheritances tend to have done something notable as well, or I probably wouldn't have heard of them (like the impressionist painter Paul Cezanne).

When I tried a google search for more candidates, the first hit was from ancient Greece! Apollodorus, son of Pasion the slave...
In reply to this comment by NetRunner:
Do you have a better example in mind? I mostly use her as my go-to example because she's a name people will recognize, associate with being ridiculously rich, has a reputation for having a crap work ethic, and a reputation for being completely out of touch with how normal people live.

I have more nuanced reasons for picking her as well, but that's really more of a springboard into a discussion about what "work ethic" really means...


oritteropo says...

I think you've picked the wrong example there. If you check out Miss Hilton's IMDB page, she hasn't spent her life sitting around the pool living off interest even though she could have.

Now you could argue that the people who have paid her modeling fees, salary, appearance fees, travel, expenses etc. have overpaid, and I wouldn't disagree, but it was their choice and that's not the argument you made.
In reply to this comment by NetRunner:
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Instead, the real "entitlement society" is comprised of people like Paris Hilton. They don't really work, certainly they don't do hard work, or even seem to possess valuable skills. They just collect interest, and act like they're royalty, entitled to collect the vast majority of the fruits of our labor.


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