Well let's pop *military for the hardware and software footage too.

This is going to get messy, isn't it?

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>> ^Krupo:

This is going to get messy, isn't it?

Looks that way, unfortunately.

We should make Turkish Kurdistan and Northern Iraq an independent entity known as Kurdistan... If Kosovars then why not the Kurds?

>> ^Farhad2000:
If Kosovars then why not the Kurds?


no reason at all, as far as i'm concerned, farhad.
so long as that's what a significant majority of the population there, wants.
which it is. soldiers i've talked to, returning from that area, and news orgs, msm or not, have repeatedly said so.

they'll also mention that kurds mostly still love america, because that's where we had esablished the northern no-fly zone. to protect them.

now, if those news outlets are any good, they'll also let you know what the other side is saying, against it, which is usually "balkanization". smaller and smaller groups break off, often due to ever-more-radical ideologies.

problem with a lot of these cases (as seperatism is clearly becoming somewhat rampant in middle-asia and -europe) is that it takes a shitload of research to even understand why some of these national boundaries were drawn, to begin with.

and half the time, it's just the latest result in a long chain of bad blood for 1000 years, over something that neither side even remembers anymore.

big deciding factor, for me?
whether these current national boundaries, were drawn:

a) by a community, to establish a national identity, for a significant geographic region, that is often otherwise isolated by natural boundaries (mountains, rivers), and simply wants to be able to run their own affairs, in peace?

b) by being foisted upon them, after being conquered, in order to prevent the above scenario from happening, by essentially gerrymandering them out of existence.

and yes, it's going to get messy. here's why.

the command & control networks, for Turkey and the US, are actually pretty well tied together. because we already have a base, at incirlik, turkey.

but if there's a friendly-fire incident?
which is, kind of inevitable? because we're all human; and war is hell, not a chessboard? yeah. it's a problem.

compounded by the fact that we already have a significant third party in the region, still. Blackwater.
their command & control is probably tethered to centcom no better than the turks are.
and i don't give a fuck how well-trained they were, by which service.
they are well-armed, well-paid civilians.

with no direct means, of talking to the turks.

how to keep track of what's been going on over there?

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