President Obama can't win with the Republicans on health care, so the Democrats should push through whatever reform they want. 2/24/10
NetRunnersays...

"Mr. President, we cannot talk about health care until you grow a mustache."

<mustache appears>

"Uhhh, uhhh, a handlebar mustache!"

<mustache turns into handlebar mustache>

"Hmm. I refuse to discuss health care with a man with a silly mustache!"


^ That part right there kinda encapsulates what politics has been like since Jan 20th 2009.

Well, if you leave out threats of violence and accusations of socialist plots.

dagsays...

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag.(show it anyway)

I love politics, but even I'm getting tired of this fight. Most congressional Democrats have been complete cowards on this issue. They deserve to lose the next election for their lack of principles and courage. But the Republicans sure don't deserve to win.

I'm voting for robots.

xxovercastxxsays...

2009? That part right there is the epitome of politics in any time or place. It's why nobody in their right mind believes that politicians can make the world a better place. These are people who've dedicated their lives to playing these games in order to see how long they can be the center of attention.

Come to think of it, watching politicians talk is not unlike watching an episode of The Jersey Shore.
>> ^NetRunner:
That part right there kinda encapsulates what politics has been like since Jan 20th 2009.

Stormsingersays...

@xxovercastxx You may be right about politicians.

But there used to be a class of leader called a statesman...a rare, and possibly extinct breed. One that cared more about improving things for society at large than just shoring up his political party. Hell, even some politicians used to occasionally do what they thought was right, instead of toeing the party line.

But that pretty much died once Ronnie started (or took advantage of) the culture wars.

NetRunnersays...

>> ^xxovercastxx:
2009? That part right there is the epitome of politics in any time or place. It's why nobody in their right mind believes that politicians can make the world a better place. These are people who've dedicated their lives to playing these games in order to see how long they can be the center of attention.



I disagree. I think that the following all made the world a better place:


  • Child labor laws
  • Minimum wage laws
  • Worker safety laws
  • Car safety laws
  • Environmental protections (ranging from national wildlife preserves, to endangered species protection to various Clean Air & Water bills)
  • SNAP (aka Food Stamps)
  • Unemployment benefits
  • Civil Rights legislation
  • Social Security
  • Medicare, Medicaid, S-CHIP
  • FDA, FAA, FCC, FEC, FDIC, FTC, NLRB, NOAA, NASA, ARPA
  • National Guard, Coast Guard, Peace Corps, Americorps

And that doesn't even cover the most basic legislation laid down by "politicians" in the Constitution, establishing things like free speech, protection against illegal search and seizure, the right to a trial by peers, the right to habeas corpus, protection against cruel and unusual punishment, and the guarantee of equal protection of laws.

If our elected representatives don't live up to the standards of the above, it's our fault for having sent them there, and we need to do better.

Acting as though it's impossible to improve the situation is exactly the kind of thinking that got them elected in the first place. In fact, there's a whole party dedicated to intentionally fucking up government, then saying to the electorate "vote for me if you think the government sucks!"

I'm still trying to figure out exactly what the other party is dedicated to. Seems to me they're dedicated to promising good things, then making excuses about how the other party stopped them from getting them done. I'm hoping eventually they wake up and start fighting for what they supposedly believe in.

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