Jesus F. Christ!

>> ^blankfist:

Jesus F. Christ!


Close, but not quite there yet; it's "Allah U. Akbar!"
/sarcasm

Moving this video to hpqp's personal queue. It failed to receive enough votes to get sifted up to the front page within 2 days.

*promote awareness

Self promoting this video and sending it back into the queue for one more try; last queued - promote requested by original submitter hpqp.

How is this not a snuff film?

disgusting

*discuss - wtf is this doing on here?

This video is being sent to Sift Talk for discussion - discuss requested by Hybrid.

I absolutely agree that this is disgusting. That is why I posted it; this Middle Ages-type barbarity is happening today, and is rarely caught on camera. When it is, no one wants to see it, or admit it even exists.

What reason, other than religious hatred, do these people have for acting so barbarically? Why do the police do nothing? Why is not a single person being tried for murder? Why did they have to deploy a thousand soldiers just to protect the court hearings from the mobs?

These mini St Bartholomew's Day massacres are part of religion's (in this case Islam's) potential virulence that too many people refuse to acknowledge.

*controversy

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I thought Buddhism was the religion peace.

Oh, and religion doesn't cause violence, it's only used by people who want to do violence.

http://www.faqs.org/periodicals/201101/2274226241.html

Furthermore, comparing this subset of Islam to the entire Muslim world is like lumping the Westboro Baptist Church with every Catholic and Christian; it's disingenuous.

this is pretty brutal.the raw footage makes it even more visceral.
this is technically snuff but with redeeming value in the sense of staring horror in the face.
and this IS horror.
the horror of fundamentalism.
the horror that a group-think mentality fueled by religious dogma could so easily persuade a human being to take a bat to another human beings head while the onlookers cheer.
the horror that these very same people believe with all their hearts they are doing "gods work" and are justified in their brutality perpetrated on another human being.
the horror that maybe another fundamentalist from another religion may watch this and feel a sense of duty to pick up a gun or some other weapon and stand as a "holy warrior" to enact a justice demanded by "their god" against the muslim zealot.
the horror of the cycle of the fundamentalists justifications and rationalizations to perpetrate atrocities against their fellow man all in the name of "god".
this is not holy.
this is not sacred.
there is no justification.
there can be no rationalization.
this is murder.
this is horror.
so look in to face of religious zealotry and know horror.

or maybe you would prefer a pretty face reading from a teleprompter?
and you can gasp in shock at the atrocity while never actually having to LOOK at it.
never having to come too close...
or see too much...
and while you may be aware there is evil in the world,
it is far away and no where near your tiny,safe and small little world.
if that is the case well then go back to sleep little one.
everything is ok in your little bubble of existence and the boogeyman resides far away from your shores.
go back to the mind numbing game shows and american idol.
go back to your 9 to 5 while your soul slowly bleeds out.
repost your favorite cat video on facebook and comment on some arbitrary and pointless poll and pat yourself on the back for your "contributions to society".
go back to sleep.

>> ^MrFisk:

Furthermore, comparing this subset of Islam to the entire Muslim world is like lumping the West Borough Baptist Church with every Catholic and Christian; it's disingenuous.


right on fisky.

>> ^MrFisk:

Furthermore, comparing this subset of Islam to the entire Muslim world is like lumping the West Borough Baptist Church with every Catholic and Christian; it's disingenuous.


You're correct, but that is not what I am doing.

edit: that being said, using the term "subset" might be considered misleading, since fundamentalists are, by definition, those who adhere the closest to a religion's principles, or at least those found in its founding texts. Read the Qur'an, you'll find ample justification for what these people did.

http://videosift.com/video/The-problem-is-not-fundamentalists-but-the-fundamentals

Religion is violence. This is not unexpected.

>> ^MrFisk:

I thought Buddhism was the religion peace.
Oh, and religion doesn't cause violence, it's only used by people who want to do violence.
http://www.faqs.org/periodicals/201101/2274226241.html


Very compelling and comprehensive article, pity the opening comparison is so disingenuous. (Speaking of which, I disagree that it's "only those who want to commit violence" that do so. How do you fit the application of sharia law, for example, - and its support from the population - into that narrow point of view?)

Some commentary on one of the conclusive passages (and I quote):

"If religion plays a significant causal role in anything, it is maximizing and maintaining in-group cooperation and identity. But so do sports, political parties, gangs, music, universities, etc. Religion does provide two things beyond what these nontheistic groups can. First, religion can unify much bigger and more varied groups of people than sports teams and the like. Second, religion offers a vaguely defined supernatural agent whose presence is unverifiable and thus unchallengable. While this may increase the likelihood that someone will engage in costly behaviors, these costs are demonstrations of commitment and thus provide reliable indicators that one won't betray the group. Beyond supernatural claims, there is not anything about religion that is not found elsewhere."

There are a few key elements that the author of this article glosses over:

1) unlike sports, gangs, political parties etc., religious belief is instilled into a person practically from birth, acting on a person's belief and behavioural systems long before they are mature enough to make calculated (not to say rational... what's rational about rugby? ) decisions of adherence. As Dawkins points out, religion makes use of a child's primal trust in its parents, transferring that trust onto an unquestionable power.

2) most religious beliefs present a parallel of parental authority, with its motivational corollaries (punishment-reward), but the figure(s) of authority are absolute, unchallengeable because of their supernatural nature. Add to that the fact that the "punishment-reward" usually concerns an eternity of either bliss or torture, and you get a motivator/rationaliser for unethical acts that is effective even when there are practically no other motivations.

Why did these people do what they did? Why did middle-class, educated individuals fly planes into the twin towers? What did they have to gain? If such acts are simply "reliable indicators that one won't betray the group" (how does a dead person do that already?) than maybe that right there is an indicator of religion's particular virulence.

Uhh, interesting discussion, but I think we're supposed to be determining if this is okay for the sift or not. @dag or @lucky760, care to weigh in?

>> ^Sarzy:

Uhh, interesting discussion, but I think we're supposed to be determining if this is okay for the sift or not. @dag or @lucky760, care to weigh in?



Thanks, but there's no need, I'm *discarding this myself. I agree that the format better suited for this is a Sift Talk post (I'll be getting to it when I have the time).

Discarding this post - discard requested by original submitter hpqp.

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag.(show it anyway)

Sorry I missed this one. This outcome is probably for the best.

>> ^dag:

Sorry I missed this one. This outcome is probably for the best.


I made a Sift Talk post which addresses this (after a more general rant about criticising Islam): http://religion.videosift.com/talk/Dare-we-criticize-Islam