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Self promoting this video and sending it back into the queue for one more try; last queued Wednesday, July 27th, 2011 6:37am PDT - promote requested by original submitter peggedbea.

*yawn* so people still think what they do is important? Fascinating...

And what's wrong with Paypal?

lulzsec are not politically based like anonymous, it's just bored people who want to hack left and right. They don't deserve respect, they deserve scorn.
Anonymous does deserve some respect though, I think.

this http://pastebin.com/LAykd1es
>> ^longde:

And what's wrong with Paypal?

i don't need to respect them when interests converge. >> ^gwiz665:

lulzsec are not politically based like anonymous, it's just bored people who want to hack left and right. They don't deserve respect, they deserve scorn.
Anonymous does deserve some respect though, I think.

@longde paypal blocks donations to wikileaks, while providing service to groups like the kkk and a norweigian terrorist organizations. it's handed over 1000 names to the fbi for what is basically the virtual equivolient of hundreds of people walking into a store and not buying anything. when a corporation does the bidding of the state department (as it did in the case of wikileaks), it's fascism. and vice versa.

I just signed up for bitcoin, however it all seems rather confusing and it appears to have security issues. It really needs some work if it wants to become mainstream, some more user friendliness would be nice.

When will we stop romanticizing the vigilante acts of a group of people who aim a LOIC at a website and press go? I am in no way defending the targets or their actions that caused them to fall under the crosshairs. But PayPal is not a hillbilly with a who drank too much at the bar, got a blowjob from a hooker, and came home to beat the wife cuz dinner wasn't ready. People who don't deserve to be punished are...and that sucks.

>> ^critical_d:

When will we stop romanticizing the vigilante acts of a group of people who aim a LOIC at a website and press go?
I am in no way defending the targets or their actions that caused them to fall under the crosshairs. But PayPal is not a hillbilly with a who drank too much at the bar, got a blowjob from a hooker, and came home to beat the wife cuz dinner wasn't ready. People who don't deserve to be punished are...and that sucks.


romanticizing? or supporting? ...and hopefully never.

the drunk hillbilly analogy makes very little sense.

who exactly is punished? people who couldn't access their paypal accounts for a few hours?? inconvienced maybe, punished? not quite.

or are you talking about the 20 year old kids who are facing $500,000 law suits and 15 years in prison for what is the virtual version of walking into a store and not purchasing anything? beacuse yeah, that does fucking suck.


when will people stop sounding like protofascist drones and reclaim their innate ability to think critically and be free?

what's happening here is so much bigger than bored teenagers fucking shit up for a day. it's a new current in radical movements. there's always been radical activity under the surface of any dominate power structure, and hopefully their always will be. this is the fist time in history it's been so able to truly be a global force. and that my friend, is fucking huge... a few hundred thousand kids, world wide, understand the technology so much better than any corporate/governmental IT division. they're writing the fucking code. this is the kind of movement that i think really has staying power, and it will be impossible for either political party just absorb some of the ideology into their platform to placate it, like they do with all movements that gain any sort of momentum.

what in particular are you talking about when you say "virtual version of walking into a store and not purchasing anything?"?

The hillbilly analogy was used as an example of punishing an individual (the drunk) versus punishing a faceless company like PayPal. By punishing Paypal (taking down their site) you are punishing the people who work there and the investors who own the company. Do they deserve punishment because of the decisions of a few at that company? Shouldn't we hold the leaders or directors responsible instead?

>> ^peggedbea:

>> ^critical_d:
When will we stop romanticizing the vigilante acts of a group of people who aim a LOIC at a website and press go?
I am in no way defending the targets or their actions that caused them to fall under the crosshairs. But PayPal is not a hillbilly with a who drank too much at the bar, got a blowjob from a hooker, and came home to beat the wife cuz dinner wasn't ready. People who don't deserve to be punished are...and that sucks.

romanticizing? or supporting? ...and hopefully never.
the drunk hillbilly analogy makes very little sense.
who exactly is punished? people who couldn't access their paypal accounts for a few hours?? inconvienced maybe, punished? not quite.
or are you talking about the 20 year old kids who are facing $500,000 law suits and 15 years in prison for what is the virtual version of walking into a store and not purchasing anything? beacuse yeah, that does fucking suck.

when will people stop sounding like protofascist drones and reclaim their innate ability to think critically and be free?
what's happening here is so much bigger than bored teenagers fucking shit up for a day. it's a new current in radical movements. there's always been radical activity under the surface of any dominate power structure, and hopefully their always will be. this is the fist time in history it's been so able to truly be a global force. and that my friend, is fucking huge... a few hundred thousand kids, world wide, understand the technology so much better than any corporate/governmental IT division. they're writing the fucking code. this is the kind of movement that i think really has staying power, and it will be impossible for either political party just absorb some of the ideology into their platform to placate it, like they do with all movements that gain any sort of momentum.

http://www.little-gamers.com/2011/07/28/a-rainy-day/

i fully support fuckin shit up for the lulz. because some parts of me are mostly a 16 year old virgin boy.

but... see link in the description. they gave 17 alternatives to paypal. at least some of them aren't bitcoin.>> ^DerHasisttot:

http://www.little-gamers.com/2011/07/28/a-rainy-day/

15 people were arrested for taking part in ddos attacks, which are the virtual equivalent of walking into a store with a 1000 friends and buying nothing. they're facing $500,000 lawsuits and 15 years in prison.

how do you propose we, the people, hold a board of directors accountable for their actions? what steps exactly can we legally take? usually when a group of people disagrees with the actions of a corporate entity, they organize a boycott of the goods/services said entity is providing. your entire last paragraph was not thought out entirely. and a reeked of a typical protofascist cop-out. turn off your corporate medias, son.
>> ^critical_d:

what in particular are you talking about when you say "virtual version of walking into a store and not purchasing anything?"?
The hillbilly analogy was used as an example of punishing an individual (the drunk) versus punishing a faceless company like PayPal. By punishing Paypal (taking down their site) you are punishing the people who work there and the investors who own the company. Do they deserve punishment because of the decisions of a few at that company? Shouldn't we hold the leaders or directors responsible instead?
>> ^peggedbea:
>> ^critical_d:
When will we stop romanticizing the vigilante acts of a group of people who aim a LOIC at a website and press go?
I am in no way defending the targets or their actions that caused them to fall under the crosshairs. But PayPal is not a hillbilly with a who drank too much at the bar, got a blowjob from a hooker, and came home to beat the wife cuz dinner wasn't ready. People who don't deserve to be punished are...and that sucks.

romanticizing? or supporting? ...and hopefully never.
the drunk hillbilly analogy makes very little sense.
who exactly is punished? people who couldn't access their paypal accounts for a few hours?? inconvienced maybe, punished? not quite.
or are you talking about the 20 year old kids who are facing $500,000 law suits and 15 years in prison for what is the virtual version of walking into a store and not purchasing anything? beacuse yeah, that does fucking suck.

when will people stop sounding like protofascist drones and reclaim their innate ability to think critically and be free?
what's happening here is so much bigger than bored teenagers fucking shit up for a day. it's a new current in radical movements. there's always been radical activity under the surface of any dominate power structure, and hopefully their always will be. this is the fist time in history it's been so able to truly be a global force. and that my friend, is fucking huge... a few hundred thousand kids, world wide, understand the technology so much better than any corporate/governmental IT division. they're writing the fucking code. this is the kind of movement that i think really has staying power, and it will be impossible for either political party just absorb some of the ideology into their platform to placate it, like they do with all movements that gain any sort of momentum.

>> ^peggedbea:

i fully support fuckin shit up for the lulz. because some parts of me are mostly a 16 year old virgin boy.
but... see link in the description. they gave 17 alternatives to paypal. at least some of them aren't bitcoin.>> ^DerHasisttot:
http://www.little-gamers.com/2011/07/28/a-rainy-day/



hehe the comic doesn't reflect my opinion, I just posted it as secondary literature ;-)