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Ignorance is the real prime mover of the left's take on economics.

Ignorance about how wealth is created.

Ignorance about who in America really pays the bills.

Ignorance about the effects--short and long-term--of disastrous economic policies.

Fortunately this ignorance is curable. Until one recognizes there are no 'solutions' in life, only trade-offs, and that 'government action in the social and economic domains has not only failed to achieve desired or claimed results but in many cases has created worse conditions than those previously existing,' there will be no cure.

@quantumushroom

What's your real name? My real name is Ezra. I'd like to meet you in person one day.

Because this "sure you can rape my wife.. as long as your have "conservative" values" persona/mindset you maintain on this site boggles my mind.

No To taxing millionaires
No To cut Bush Tax cuts
yes To cut oil Gas and ALL tax breaks
Yes To support Walker- The Americans proudly support what he is doing. Fighting for America. We need a lot more of guys like this.

Is no surprise that MSNBC supports this kind of harmful talk. Jeffrey Immelt, is on his knees slurping up all the OBAMA sauce he can get. The least MSNBC can do.


NetRunner, your too smart to be sucked in by this crap. What gives?

>> ^bobknight33:

NetRunner, your too smart to be sucked in by this crap. What gives?


This is polling data. And I'm a yes on all of those things.

What's harmful about taxing millionaires? What's harmful about letting the upper-end of the Bush tax cuts expiring? What's harmful about removing a subsidy to obviously successful business like the oil and coal companies?

Most importantly, why should anyone lose the right to organize and collectively bargain? Don't people have a 1st amendment right to freedom of assembly? Don't they have the right to negotiate and enter into contracts without government interference?

Great sift. Easy on the accusations of ignorance, bob and quantum... glass houses and all.

Government employees should not be allowed to unionize. It just wrong. If you want to serve the government then fine. But don't soak the taxpayers by getting union wages and benefits. We work too. We have families to support. I don't need to support lazy union workers.

Millionaires pay most of the taxes already. What wrong with cutting government?
Bush tax cuts. It not a cut, it my money I just don't want the government thieving more of my money.

Unions are bad for any business. Look at all the major companies that have failed or have been greatly crippled such as the Steel industry, Auto Industry, Airline industry. Bloated pensions, mandated pay and they instill one to be lazy.

Hopefully someday you will realize the error or you ways.

>> ^bobknight33:

Government employees should not be allowed to unionize. It just wrong. If you want to serve the government then fine. But don't soak the taxpayers by getting union wages and benefits. We work too. We have families to support. I don't need to support lazy union workers.

What evidence is there that anyone involved in a union in Wisconsin is "lazy"? Remember, you're talking about school teachers and trash collectors here.

Why is there any difference between public and private sector unions? In both cases they exist because people have a basic human right to assemble and negotiate contracts. Are public servants somehow not human in your mind? Don't they have families to support too?
>> ^bobknight33:
Unions are bad for any business. Look at all the major companies that have failed or have been greatly crippled such as the Steel industry, Auto Industry, Airline industry.

The Auto industry is a bit broad, Ford is doing great with unions still in place, and without any government loans. GM took a government loan, and is now doing fine with unions still in place. Chrysler's problems were that they kept making ugly, sucky cars, even when they were merged with Mercedes. Hopefully now that they've merged with FIAT, we'll see an improvement in the quality of their designs.

The Steel Industry I know a lot less about, but the main thing that killed them there was bad trade agreements. It's tough for a country that believes in worker safety and humane treatment of workers to compete with countries that don't really shy away from using slave labor to do labor-intensive high-risk work.

The Airline Industry is in trouble because oil is already fucking expensive, and will continue to get more so. We're likely to soon find ourselves in a world where only millionaires will be able to pay the ticket prices that would make air travel profitable for an airline.

But at the most fundamental level, I don't get your motivations here. Why do you see unions as being some sort of unmitigated evil, while lining the pockets of millionaires and billionaires as some sort of ultimate good?

I believe that the concept of unions are good.

I think that in small groups unions can benefit all involved. However large unions, like big government has the tendency to become self interested and focus less on who they are representing.

The auto, airline and steel industry all have large unions.

If millionaires and billionaires line their pockets in a morally and legal way than there should no issue with their money.

Like you, I do have issue when corporations or mom and pop shops treat people like dirt and give low wages when they can afford to employees better pay and or benefits.