Killing Girls Documentary

Looks at the prevalence of abortion in Russia and the problems associated with the widespread practice of terminating at a later stage of the pregnancy.
persephonesays...

I don't know. Maybe the reason becomes evident when watching the whole doco. I agree, it's really sad. It's interesting that contraceptives don't seem to be accessed as often as abortion. I remember hearing about similar statistics in Japan. There were huge shrines dedicated to aborted fetuses about.

MarineGunrocksays...

I think it's called "Killing Girls" because it's killing them emotionally. Even that one girl said it was sad to look at a full grown baby she just gave birth to that was killed.
But here's what I don't get: When people say "It's her body, she should have the right to choose what to do with it." Are they forgetting that there's another body in there too? Do whatever you want to your body. I don't give a shit. But how is it your choice to do something to someone else's body?

persephonesays...

You're right, MG, there is another body in there and for the kinds of terminations shown in this video, many of them would be viable bodies.

I don't have a problem with abortion before the end of the first trimester. Many women naturally miscarry before 12 weeks. Even more miscarry before 6 weeks, without even realising they're pregnant.

This is another story, however. I can only echo gargoyle's thoughts in assuming that ignorance is the cause, but I also suspect that there's social stigma, or religious pressure stopping girls in seeking contraception, or requesting the guy to wear protection. The nurses said it's available after all.

When women feel powerless, because of the general low status they are afforded, this leads them to take very passive roles in their relationships and choice-making.

xxovercastxxsays...

I don't think any sane person is really "pro-abortion". I'm pro-choice, myself, but that doesn't mean I think abortion is OK. I just think that ultimately the parents (I believe the father should some say in what happens to his child) should be the ones to decide and not the law.

Preventing pregnancy in the first place should be the top priority... education. Give people the knowledge they need to take control and I believe they'll avoid pregnancy proactively instead of resorting to abortions.

I have a hard time accepting the statistics given in this video. 80% of all women seems ridiculous and an average 2-10 abortions in a lifetime seems outright impossible.

MarineGunrocksays...

Overcast, what I think was supposed to the statistic is 80% of expectant mothers. And having up to 10 abortions in a life time is no where neat impossible, especially when you consider that Russia's economy is shit, and that a lot of young girls turn to the sex industry (stripping or more) to provide an income.

BoneyDsays...

Calling it "pro-abortion" or "pro-choice" is really nothing more than your chosen use of buzz words, one's just more pleasing to the ear. Lets not pick at people for the one they wish to employ. What you are for or against is the ability for women to have a pregnancy terminated that they feel is too much of a burden to continue with. This may be due to a large variety of causes (eg. rape; socio-economic limitations; unintended pregnancy, due to faulty contraceptive or perhaps a partner deceitful about fertility; mental immaturity; etc.).

Obviously these are pretty harrowing conditions shown in the film, such as why most of these pregnancies aren't simply avoided by adequate birth control - an obvious lack of community or individual education, which leads not only to the terminations but the huge problem of childcare for the unwanted. Abortions are not (and should not) be simple, care free procedures and I think anyone (pro or against) would like to see that the consequences of a termination are known to all women, so that the need for one is avoided as often as possible.

The reasons against abortion are fairly obvious, as I don't think any well minded person would like the idea of seeing an infant looking fetus being cut and expelled. But I assert that we have to consider the effect of continuing an unwanted pregnancy, should it lead to an abandoned child to a life in foster homes or the streets. Because lets face it, there just cannot be an abundance of caring adoption families for every single ovum that gets fertilised.

7977says...

I have seen another documentary about Russia where they said that they are experiencing a low birth rate and have a large population suffering from aids. It seems like such a double edged sword...on one hand they need more people to keep the economy going, yet no one wants to have a child in such conditions. It's really sad when you look at everything that is going on there maybe Kasparov will bring new hope.

xxovercastxxsays...

I'm not so negative about death as most people are, even less when it's the death of something which has not yet truly lived. A fetus has no self-awareness... no concept of life or death. It has only the most basic of emotions/feelings, at best. It's almost like a tree with the exception that we have an emotional attachment to a fetus, whereas few-to-none of us are emotionally attached to a tree.

"Sad" does not equal "wrong". Forcing a child to live when (s)he cannot be properly cared for is wrong. A lifetime of suffering is far worse than no life at all.

14165says...

The reason why they get abortion OVER contraceptives is because in Russia, Abortion is FREE whereas birth control costs money. Money these women don't have. When/If they do decided to keep the child, the Russian government is hardly any help at all, giving them $10 a month for assistance. As they say, "In Russia only the most cynical survive."

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