"Please do not post pornography or "snuff" films (which we define as the explicit depiction of loss of human life displayed for entertainment).

Note: The presence of human fatality is acceptable and not considered "snuff" if presented as a limited portion of a lengthy educational, informative news report or documentary. Our definition of "snuff" does include but is not exclusive to any short clip in which a human fatality occurs whether or not any victims are actually visible on camera."


22 secs ain't exactly lengthy and this video ain't exactly informative.

It also doesn't show anything. I see one bullet (possibly, I don't know) being fired and nothing else.

@robbersdog49 Do you really categorize this as "snuff", are you for real?

Do you know how difficult it was to get ANY footage out of the flotilla, without the Israeli army confiscating it? The Israeli army has itself recorded hours of the incident and confiscated all the recorders they could find from the passengers. We see none of those recordings in custody of the Israeli army.

These people risked their life and brought attention to an illegal blockade, and all you can do is to "cry wolf" and close your eyes.

This happen in International waters and not in Israeli waters, as far as I am concerned, these are in line with actions of the Somali Pirates.

The explicit depiction of loss of human life displayed for entertainment. Well I couldn't see shit and I wasn't particulary entertained. I don't think this is what the no snuff rule was put in place to avoid

That is fucked up.

>> ^theali:

@<a rel="nofollow" href="http://videosift.com/member/robbersdog49" title="member since May 22nd, 2007" class="profilelink">robbersdog49 Do you really categorize this as "snuff", are you for real?
Do you know how difficult it was to get ANY footage out of the flotilla, without the Israeli army confiscating it? The Israeli army has itself recorded hours of the incident and confiscated all the recorders they could find from the passengers. We see none of those recordings in custody of the Israeli army.
These people risked their life and brought attention to an illegal blockade, and all you can do is to "cry wolf" and close your eyes.
This happen in International waters and not in Israeli waters, as far as I am concerned, these are in line with actions of the Somali Pirates.


Firstly, I understand the situation, I don't need to know that someone died to know that it happened. You suggesting that without this footage I'd think they just shook hands is a straw man argument. It's just not logical.

Secondly, yes, if this video shows what it claims then it's snuff as clearly described by the rules of this site. The rules are clear:

"The presence of human fatality is acceptable and not considered "snuff" if presented as a limited portion of a lengthy educational, informative news report or documentary. Our definition of "snuff" does include but is not exclusive to any short clip in which a human fatality occurs whether or not any victims are actually visible on camera."

So, firstly the clip is just a short bit of footage and not part of a lengthy news report or documentary. There's surely no way you can deny this. The clip is only 22 seconds long. That just isn't lengthy. Secondly, even if the action isn't very clear you'll not that this is also provided for in the rules.

Yes, this is an important situation. Yes people should know about it. Yes, it's all very wrong. I agree with you about the political situation and about the actions of the Isreali troops. However, that doesn't give you carte blanche to ignore the rules of the site.

Not a video I would use as evidence of Israeli wrongdoing. Can't hardly see shit.

The fact that they boarded a Turkish ship in International waters is wrong to begin with. >> ^kronosposeidon:

Not a video I would use as evidence of Israeli wrongdoing. Can't hardly see shit.

Well I'll grant you that much. I also believe that the Israelis had no right to board the ship. However, in this particular video, I can't tell if the Israels are harming anyone or not. That's why I say it wouldn't be useful as evidence of wrongdoing.

Everyone knows the Israelis boarded the ship, but exactly what happened after they boarded the ship is uncertain, and this video raises questions without answering any. That's why I say it's not useful. >> ^theali:

The fact that they boarded a Turkish ship in International waters is wrong to begin with. >> ^kronosposeidon:
Not a video I would use as evidence of Israeli wrongdoing. Can't hardly see shit.

Israel does have many hours of footage that they shot themselves and the many recordings that they confiscated from the passengers.

They would have released the the tapes in their entirety, if it would have indemnified them. They have only release a couple of minutes of highly edited and selective clips, of passengers defending their ship then labeled all the passengers as terrorist sympathizers.

There was an American citizen killed on that flotilla, there is no disputed of that. I can't believe US is acting so passe over that. If ANY other country had done this to US, there would have been a HUGE retaliation, but with Israel, US even comes to their defense.

Watch the TYT analysis on the incident:


>> ^kronosposeidon:

Well I'll grant you that much. I also believe that the Israelis had no right to board the ship. However, in this particular video, I can't tell if the Israels are harming anyone or not. That's why I say it wouldn't be useful as evidence of wrongdoing.
Everyone knows the Israelis boarded the ship, but exactly what happened after they boarded the ship is uncertain, and this video raises questions without answering any. That's why I say it's not useful. >> ^theali:
The fact that they boarded a Turkish ship in International waters is wrong to begin with. >> ^kronosposeidon:
Not a video I would use as evidence of Israeli wrongdoing. Can't hardly see shit.

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