Horrible Histories - History of the British Empire

This is one of my favourite sketches from the show. Literally everything there's any point in knowing about the British (and subsequent lack of) Empire. If anyone wants any more reason to hate us, this is a must watch ;)
littledragon_79says...

Interesting to see all the imperial territories, many of which are still messed up...this is why I like to blame Britain for a lot of the crap in the world today. And unfortunately it seems empires that screw up the world have former colonies that screw up the world.

We learned it from watching you!

rychansays...

>> ^littledragon_79:

Interesting to see all the imperial territories, many of which are still messed up...this is why I like to blame Britain for a lot of the crap in the world today. And unfortunately it seems empires that screw up the world have former colonies that screw up the world.
We learned it from watching you!


Well, to be fair, many ex-colonies are in fantastic shape. Canada, the U.S., New Zealand, Australia, Hong Kong, and Singapore all have very high standards of living. India and South Africa seem to be in reasonable shape, with respect to their neighbors, at least. I'm sure historians have done better comparisons of colonized versus un-colonized nations. I would bet that colonization is a long term win. I'm not saying that morally justifies it, though.

SDGundamXsays...

I think it would be more accurate to say that those countries are doing well in spite of the colonization. Also, it depends who you're talking about in those countries... Native Americans in the U.S. and Canada, Maori in New Zealand, and Aborigines in Australia all had their cultures completely or nearly completely destroyed by colonization. A lot of those populations still live in poverty or are marginalized. I doubt they'd share your opinion about colonization's benefits.

>> ^rychan:

Well, to be fair, many ex-colonies are in fantastic shape. Canada, the U.S., New Zealand, Australia, Hong Kong, and Singapore all have very high standards of living. India and South Africa seem to be in reasonable shape, with respect to their neighbors, at least. I'm sure historians have done better comparisons of colonized versus un-colonized nations. I would bet that colonization is a long term win. I'm not saying that morally justifies it, though.

mentalitysays...

>> ^rychan:

>> ^littledragon_79:
Interesting to see all the imperial territories, many of which are still messed up...this is why I like to blame Britain for a lot of the crap in the world today. And unfortunately it seems empires that screw up the world have former colonies that screw up the world.
We learned it from watching you!

Well, to be fair, many ex-colonies are in fantastic shape. Canada, the U.S., New Zealand, Australia, Hong Kong, and Singapore all have very high standards of living. India and South Africa seem to be in reasonable shape, with respect to their neighbors, at least. I'm sure historians have done better comparisons of colonized versus un-colonized nations. I would bet that colonization is a long term win. I'm not saying that morally justifies it, though.


Yes, committing essentially genocide and replacing the native populations with your own does wonders for the economy. Colonization is definitely a long term win, just not for the people you colonize.

rychansays...

Colonization doesn't have to imply genocide. It often has, I agree. But the British colonization of India was not so violent. There are claims that Indian famines resulted from British mismanagement, but there are also historians who think India benefited (and still does) from the British institutions, and that the Indians were often willing partners (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Raj#Economic_impact ).

In the Americas there are scores of documented atrocities against the native population. But the worst killer, by far, was unintentional -- disease ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas#Depopulation_from_disease ). These outbreaks would have happened regardless of military aggression (and it did, which is what made the initial military conquests so easy). Europeans had unknowingly built themselves into amazing germ warfare machines over 100 generations. There's no way that the contact between the new world and old world has a completely happy ending. The germ theory of disease ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germ_theory_of_disease ) was not accepted; people didn't know better.

But consider this hypothetical situation -- there is an alien race with technology vastly superior to ours. They are 500 years more advanced than we are. Would you rather a) the aliens leave us alone completely, not making contact or b) the aliens non-violently assume high level control of much of the planet, while leaving nations largely autonomous (Analogous to the British "conquest" of India).

I would absolutely choose b. In Earth's history it's not likely that many cultures had such a clear cut choice, but the cultures that stayed isolated and backwards have suffered for it.

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