"A year-long investigation by CNN and the C.I.R. finds widespread fraud in America's largest Medicaid program." - y/t
MrFisksays...

This is solid reporting, especially by the Center for Investigative Reporting.

However, the gotcha tactics in the parking lot are crafted for broadcast, and wastes valuable screen time by relishing about a past crime, rather on the actual story at hand.

articiansays...

"A year-long investigation by CNN and the C.I.R. finds widespread fraud in America's largest Medicaid program."

I would stake my life on a bet that any year-long investigation into any organization in the U.S. would result in widespread fraud. It's the American way.

eric3579says...

What i find a shame is that they can legally charge me $20,000 for 3 hrs in the hospital because i fell off my bike (which ill be in debt for forever probably), or 750 dollars a month they want to charge me at costco for one of the antidepressants I was taking (paid about 100 a month from Canada for the generic which they cant sell in the US). Also there is the $8500 my dentist wants to replace two of my front teeth which ill need in the next year or two. Personally ill take my chances with socialized medicine as I dont have the kind of money it takes to get better when i get sick or hurt. None of us should have to choose between medical attention/medication and the ability to eat or pay the bills. Thats just the way I see it. Thanks for letting me vent.

edit
Charging a patient $15 for a Tylenol is an absolute legal healthcare fraud(imo), but thats just good American business. http://www.rd.com/slideshows/wildly-overinflated-hospital-costs/#slideshow=slide1

and my apologies for going off topic @MrFisk

Trancecoachsaid:

I guarantee, as healthcare becomes more socialized, we're going to see a whole lot more of this.

Such a shame.

Yogisays...

The Medicaid program has always been socialized. Fraud isn't something unique to Socialism or Socialistic organizations ya know, you have to be vigilant and have independent reviews.

The real shame is that we're the Richest country in the world and our healthcare is fucking terrible in comparison to other poorer countries with socialized medicine.

Trancecoachsaid:

I guarantee, as healthcare becomes more socialized, we're going to see a whole lot more of this.

Such a shame.

Trancecoachsays...

You're right, fraud isn't unique to socialism, but bureaucratic/governmental oversight (such as the type described in the video) tends to foster the creation of such loopholes, which makes frauds like this possible. Note that, in this video, it was not the market, but the government, distributing the spoils of the fraud.

What other poorer countries with socialized health medicine, specifically?

Yogisaid:

The Medicaid program has always been socialized. Fraud isn't something unique to Socialism or Socialistic organizations ya know, you have to be vigilant and have independent reviews.

The real shame is that we're the Richest country in the world and our healthcare is fucking terrible in comparison to other poorer countries with socialized medicine.

siftbotsays...

Moving this video to MrFisk's personal queue. It failed to receive enough votes to get sifted up to the front page within 2 days.

enochsays...

@Trancecoach
i am going to have to disagree with your "free market" argument.(i snooped on your commentary on @eric3579 page).

and here is why:

since we both agree that what we have now is NOT a free market health care system and it is rife with corruption.we can move on to the real meat of the argument.

in my opinion the basic flaw in your argument is the base question.
free market or socialized medicine?

this is the wrong question.
because the questions ignores the very essence which we should be addressing.
the REAL question is "what is the purpose of a health care system"?
NOT "which market system should we implement for health care"?

so,
what IS the purpose of the health care system?

ah...
see where i am going with this?
not so easy to answer and impose your model of the "free market" at the same time.

because they are incompatible.
you cannot have "for-profit" and "health-care" work in conjunction with any REAL health care.

my family is in the medical field (as i know you are as well),and i have had this discussion with them many,many times.

when i have asked them "what is the best way to optimize a persons long term health"?
they have always answered,without exception "preventive care"."early diagnosis"."education on the benefits of diet and exercise".

and i suspect you would agree with their assessment.

but if we use your "free market" model against a more "socialized model".which model would better serve the public?

if we take your "free market" model,which would be under the auspices of capitalism.
where is the profit in a healthy society?
answer:there is none.
disease is where the money is at,THAT is where the profit lies,not in preventive medicine.

cancer,anxiety,obesity,drug addiction.
all are huge profit generators and all could be dealt with so much more productively and successfully with preventive care,diet and exercise and early diagnosis.

it is ineffecient and morally despicable and the costs are counted in dead bodies.

but when we consider that the 4th and 5th largest lobbyists are the health insurance industry and the pharmaceutical industry is it any wonder that america has the most fucked up,backwards health care system on the planet.

so if we used your "free market" model instead of the corporate welfare system we are using now.
the results would STILL be the same.
because BOTH systems are for-profit.

now,
let us examine medicare.
runs on a 3-5% overhead,while in contrast the health insurance industry runs between 25-35% and are..for-profit.

IF we made medicare available to ALL american citizens we would see a shift from latter stage care to a more aggressive preventive care and early diagnosis.
the savings in money (and lives) would be staggering.

this would create a huge paradigm shift here in america and we would see results almost instantly but more so in the coming decades.

i dont feel i have to list them because i respect your intellect.

i feel very strongly that health should be a communal effort.a civilized society should take care of each other.
a corporation cares nothing for my health nor yours.they care about profit.

and preventive care is NOT profitable,yet death and disease are.

so.
socialism>free market

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