A perfect example of why I did alternative civilian service rather than serve in the military; a few seconds into this the instructor would have been lying on the ground and I would have gone to the brig for punching a superior officer.

When I got the gist of the video I waited through the whole minute of it for Sgt A. Hole to get a gun butt to the gums. I am disappoint.

Just wait til they meet in the toilets after. Someones gonna go full metal jacket on his ass.

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you guys never served in the military did ya?
because if ya did you would know that even the thought of smashing a gun butt to drill sarges face would never happen.
you were too busy trying not to piss yourself.

welcome to boot camp MAGGOTS!
this is the place we strip you of any self identity in order to build you in to a lean,mean fighting machine.

you are 18.
this is your first time away from home and you got some testosterone junkie in your face like he just found out you slept with his childhood sweet-heart.

so,yeah.
slamming him in his face is the last thing on your mind.
thinking you may have made a bad decision by joining?
weeeell,thats pretty high up on the "wtf did i do?" list.

I love hearing comments about "boot camp" from people who have never been near the military.

There are quite a few reasons why people don't punch their drill instructors. In my experience, the people with "tough guy" attitudes who think they wouldn't stand for that treatment lose that attitude pretty damn quickly.

Most recruits, as @enoch pointed out, are already scared shitless from being away from home for the first time. Those with a little more life experience realize that its a game you have to play to become a soldier/sailor/airman and would be just as likely to attack their drill instructor as they would be to attack their interviewer for a desk job.

And they all know that if they make things more difficult than they actually are (argue, don't give it your all, etc.) the staff are going to make the whole group go through hell and they will be hated by their whole platoon.

Plus, these aren't conscripts, they are there because they want to be there, or they have no other option. Doing something stupid, like attacking an instructor because he yelled at them, is only going to make things worse.
>> ^TheGenk:

A perfect example of why I did alternative civilian service rather than serve in the military; a few seconds into this the instructor would have been lying on the ground and I would have gone to the brig for punching a superior officer.


>> ^hpqp:

When I got the gist of the video I waited through the whole minute of it for Sgt A. Hole to get a gun butt to the gums. I am disappoint.


>> ^Kofi:

Just wait til they meet in the toilets after. Someones gonna go full metal jacket on his ass.

^ what enoch and skeeve said

as a marine vet let me assure you that boot camp, et al, is where the talk-the-talk 'tough' become the walk-the-walk truly tough, both physically and mentally -- you are first stripped of your dignity and soon enough earn it back, and more so, through merit

that said, this appears to be some kind of ROTC or JROTC event rather than a usmc drill instructor training marine recruits

the psychology of the military fascinates me

"it's a game you have to play"
"too busy trying not to piss yourself"
"stripped of your dignity"

so bizarre

>> ^berticus:
the psychology of the military fascinates me
"it's a game you have to play"
"too busy trying not to piss yourself"
"stripped of your dignity"
so bizarre


it should be both fascinating and bizarre to you

sad to say but there has always been and continues to be a need for soldiers in civilized societies

training them necessitates making them different from the rest of the populace, otherwise in wartime you could just give your everyday citizen a gun, wave vaguely in a direction and tell them to fire at will... and watch them be slaughtered

soldiers need to be trained to a higher level of discipline in order to react appropriately in stressful situations, to suffer a higher level of discomfort routinely, to more easily shrug off pain or fatigue that might incapacitate a civilian population

for this reason, there are various and sundry methods of training to achieve the desired effect -- are they perfect? of course not...

will this paradigm seem odd to you? sure, you're not a soldier - you're an ordinary citizen who probably never thinks for a moment about the underlying structure that protects you from complete anarchy

AHAHAHA!!! best laugh i've had all day thankyou.

>> ^Diogenes:

>> ^berticus:
the psychology of the military fascinates me
"it's a game you have to play"
"too busy trying not to piss yourself"
"stripped of your dignity"
so bizarre

it should be both fascinating and bizarre to you
sad to say but there has always been and continues to be a need for soldiers in civilized societies
training them necessitates making them different from the rest of the populace, otherwise in wartime you could just give your everyday citizen a gun, wave vaguely in a direction and tell them to fire at will... and watch them be slaughtered
soldiers need to be trained to a higher level of discipline in order to react appropriately in stressful situations, to suffer a higher level of discomfort routinely, to more easily shrug off pain or fatigue that might incapacitate a civilian population
for this reason, there are various and sundry methods of training to achieve the desired effect -- are they perfect? of course not...
will this paradigm seem odd to you? sure, you're not a soldier - you're an ordinary citizen who probably never thinks for a moment about the underlying structure that protects you from complete anarchy

you're welcome - glad i could help =)

>> ^berticus:
AHAHAHA!!! best laugh i've had all day thankyou.

>> ^enoch:
thinking you may have made a bad decision by joining?


No, I was thinking what a great decision I made by not joining.

>> ^berticus:

the psychology of the military fascinates me
"it's a game you have to play"
"too busy trying not to piss yourself"
"stripped of your dignity"
so bizarre


boot camp is all about psychology.
think about it.
it is NOT a natural state of being to shoot another human in the face,therefore it is imperative to strip that human of all self-identifiers in order to build them back up and incorporate them into the group paradigm.

one of the most powerful tools they use as @Skeeve mentioned is how they punish the entire company for an infraction YOU incurred.thats a mighty powerful motivator when you have 80 dudes staring at you with rage in their eyes.(i was lucky to never have experienced that particular discomfort).

you do realize after a short while that it is all a game (or mindfuck) but whats even MORE interesting is that even though you are aware of the manipulation you still fall in line with the group.

i was 17 when i joined (you could do that back then).speaking only for myself i remember that i adopted a "you cant beat me,i am not going to quit" mentality.which is EXACTLY the mentality they wanted.they took my defiance and made it work for them.
i was manipulated from the get-go and even when i became aware of that fact i still played their game by their rules.

>> ^enoch:

you guys never served in the military did ya?


You don't understand how many people in this world are insane do you? Did you know I was killed on the street once just for coughing...some people are crazy and they kill you for doing essentially nothing. That's life...life on the streets...Homicide Life on the Streets!

>> ^Skeeve:

I love hearing comments about "boot camp" from people who have never been near the military.
There are quite a few reasons why people don't punch their drill instructors. In my experience, the people with "tough guy" attitudes who think they wouldn't stand for that treatment lose that attitude pretty damn quickly.
Most recruits, as @enoch pointed out, are already scared shitless from being away from home for the first time. Those with a little more life experience realize that its a game you have to play to become a soldier/sailor/airman and would be just as likely to attack their drill instructor as they would be to attack their interviewer for a desk job.
And they all know that if they make things more difficult than they actually are (argue, don't give it your all, etc.) the staff are going to make the whole group go through hell and they will be hated by their whole platoon.
Plus, these aren't conscripts, they are there because they want to be there, or they have no other option. Doing something stupid, like attacking an instructor because he yelled at them, is only going to make things worse.
>> ^TheGenk:
A perfect example of why I did alternative civilian service rather than serve in the military; a few seconds into this the instructor would have been lying on the ground and I would have gone to the brig for punching a superior officer.

>> ^hpqp:
When I got the gist of the video I waited through the whole minute of it for Sgt A. Hole to get a gun butt to the gums. I am disappoint.

>> ^Kofi:
Just wait til they meet in the toilets after. Someones gonna go full metal jacket on his ass.



These points don't change the fact that you are all scum! Maggots who don't deserve to be in my beloved Core!

um...... yes. man this is getting pretty weird. i thought you kinda knew me. guess not.

>> ^enoch:

>> ^berticus:
the psychology of the military fascinates me
"it's a game you have to play"
"too busy trying not to piss yourself"
"stripped of your dignity"
so bizarre

boot camp is all about psychology.
think about it.
it is NOT a natural state of being to shoot another human in the face,therefore it is imperative to strip that human of all self-identifiers in order to build them back up and incorporate them into the group paradigm.
one of the most powerful tools they use as @Skeeve mentioned is how they punish the entire company for an infraction YOU incurred.thats a mighty powerful motivator when you have 80 dudes staring at you with rage in their eyes.(i was lucky to never have experienced that particular discomfort).
you do realize after a short while that it is all a game (or mindfuck) but whats even MORE interesting is that even though you are aware of the manipulation you still fall in line with the group.
i was 17 when i joined (you could do that back then).speaking only for myself i remember that i adopted a "you cant beat me,i am not going to quit" mentality.which is EXACTLY the mentality they wanted.they took my defiance and made it work for them.
i was manipulated from the get-go and even when i became aware of that fact i still played their game by their rules.

For anyone interested in this stuff - how basic training inoculates people to prepare them for mental stress - I would highly recommend Col. Dave Grossman's "On Killing".

It's mainly about the psychological effects of killing, but it spends some time on how militaries prepare soldiers for the act of killing. Very fascinating.