"You're beating your chest as if the cons are going to take over in 2010 or 2012 and fix everything, and it's PRECISELY BECAUSE OF THEM and the people who support them--that's why we're in this mess."

Psh. What has the completely Democrat-dominated government done? Nothing. Unemployment is higher than it's been in almost 30 years, the deficit is staggeringly enormous, and we're still at war... This "change" has failed by every measure of the word.
"Fix everything?" Unlikely. Correct the Democratic monopoly on our government? Yes. ...but God help us if they get their own monopoly back in 3 years.

This healthcare bill will probably benefit me personally so I'm not gonna cry if it passes. I'm more concerned with the tendency of our current (and recent) government to just buy businesses that aren't up to snuff. If they start buying news agencies...

^Don't be a douche rougy.

Anyway, I found out where the polling confusion really came from:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform

>> ^NetRunner:
^ Democracy is one person one vote, not one state, two votes.

America is not a pure democracy. Pure majority rule isn't advisable for anything larger than small communities. The US is republic and there are very numerous essays and such out there on the advantages of that system with all its characteristics such as the Senate.

BTW I did bork up the polls. I missread and article which actually was talking about Obama's Healthcare polling, not the public option. Recent polling... and old polling too places the public option at just over 53% on average, but it did recently take a dip to lower numbers. Bloomberg says 46%... whatever. The only number that matters at this point is 60. There's a number the Dems should enjoy while they have it 'cause it's not going to last.

AND, I am NOT rich dude. Not by any means. It is likely that I make less than you dude.

"Ever unpopular" to the American citizen chief. Sorry to disturb your dreamland, but there are people that disagree with you to the extent that freedom means.

>> ^Stormsinger:
Put it back in, and make the bastards stand up there and publicly filibuster. Then we can run that footage against them during their next campaign.

That's just it. The split is up to 16% now. So if they DO filibuster, you'll have 40% going NOOO and 56% going hooray.

>> ^NetRunner:
>> ^Doc_MI love that you think there's such a thing as untapped bipartisan consensus. What idea isn't in the Senate bill that you think would be supported by more than 10 Democrats and 10 Republicans in the Senate?
What Republican alternative plan do you think would earn support from more than 5 or so Democrats?


^ Reasons why a two party system is not productive or useful, number one. Republicans did propose amendments and changes that would convince them to get on board. They were broadly rejected with the exception of the ever-unpopular public option that was a deal-breaker for many people. Without that option, it might pass; with it, not a chance. That is clear. Of course I should add that some of those amendments were probably worthy of the circular file.

I'm 6:
Not even THEY know what they're voting on...

They're rushing it beyond reason for no reason. Something so large, so extremely risky, and so experimental ought not to be dived into with such reckless abandon. They spent FAR more time on "no child left behind" and even with that amount of time, it was still less than ideal to be generous. I vote dump the entire thing and start over with some actual bipartisan consideration. As with any bill this large, I say if you can only convince half of those whom we've elected to lead us that it is a good idea, the whole thing is a failure. In addition, last I checked, a large majority of US citizens don't want it to pass. The Dems are worried they'll lose their political capital if they can't pass it? Maybe, but if they DO pass it, they'll anger an enormous number of voters, more or less sealing their fate in 2010. Meanwhile, the media is only interested in the craziest loons on both sides. After all, they make good headlines and talking points. The people with their heads screwed on straight aren't getting their message out 'cause no one wants to feel like their watching CSPAN.

>> ^westy:
um WTF , why are people so moronic.
The only times its worth standing outside in the cold is for like the colaps of the Berlin wall or something like that. this blindly idolising and celebrating people is irrational ignorant and dangerous.


Haven't you realized?! Barak is the second coming! Join the club, douche!

I have the H1N1 vaccine and not Glen Beck's Goldline, chief. Thus I cry Bullshit and that you are full of and no more than than pure shit. Funny, but shit.

Anyway, if you listen to 10 minutes of any radio show, you'll hear how great it is to get your hair replacement from So-And-So and how it will make you a better man and how you'll please your wife better. Beck is just focusing on your money rather than your... other assets.

Forgive my ignorance (I'm not the best adviser when it comes to economics) but this seems like good advice. Gold seems like the investment of choice to keep your dollars worth something in the years to come. I normally hold Glen Beck in the realm of right wing craziness and don't normally support anything that he says but I don't know much about investing in commodities and he's giving a tip on how to do so with reliability. It's not like using the company he recommends will raise the price of gold to his advantage. Using ANY gold investment will do so. Though he is an asshat when it comes to generally everything, investment in gold seems like good advice and information on who is reliable over others is not in my opinion "bad advice". Gold vendors are notorious for being greedy douches when it comes to investing. Glen is a capitalist in the most extreme way and therefore, I see this as the best bet for that investment.

You get what you pay for. Try a few brand names... real ones.

Do unto others etc. etc.

I believe this was meant as art, not science... that or a joke.

Belgian ale or a good dark stout are my go to beers, but I have a warm place in my heart for draft Yuengling lager or a well poured black and tan.
Unfortunately, the only Belgian beers in my local beer store are Leffe (which is ok I guess) and like 5 others that are over $100 a case. I'm told Dilirium Tremens is fantastic.