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Is this being held in a mentally disabled recreation hall? Honestly, these people seem mildly retarded.

I thought some of Willis' music was cool; but, I never knew if his fame was just a case of a bunch of white folks laughing at a mentally disabled black guy.

Well after a small amount of research it appears that the nazies used Carbon monoxide as well as cyanide. so there goes his large chimney and and sealed room theory ore at minimum his necessity for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_chamber

"homosexuals, physically and mentally disabled, and intellectuals. In early 1940, the use of hydrogen cyanide produced as Zyklon B was tested on 250 Roma children from Brno at the Buchenwald concentration camp.[4] On September 3, 1941, 600 Soviet POWs were gassed with Zyklon B at Auschwitz camp I; this was the first experiment with the gas at Auschwitz.[5]
One of the destroyed crematoria at Auschwitz concentration camp

Carbon monoxide was also used in large purpose-built gas chambers. The gas was provided by internal combustion engines (detailed in the Gerstein Report).[6]"


"The gas chamber at Auschwitz I was reconstructed after the war as a memorial, but without a door in its doorway and without the wall that originally separated the gas chamber from a washroom. The door that had been added when the gas chamber was converted into an air raid shelter was left intact.[10]"

I can't agree with you at all.
I'm tired of people feeling like society needs to respect them or understand their differences. Should we all be this way? Kind and understanding? YES. But wake up and smell the sh t cause it's not smelling any better.
When you place yourself in the public eye you are asking for the world to judge you, whether you want it that way or not. And I apply this to all schools of thought not just about people with certain mental disabilities. Hell I hate it when people make fun of people who go LARPing (Ex: Lightning Bolt! Lightning Bolt! Lightning Bolt!) because that actually looks like FUN to me. But do I complain about it? No!
My friend told me the other day he was at a BDSM expo and they had a Burlesque show where anyone could sign up and dance. He told me the majority of women that signed up were plus sized women. This falls into the same bracket. If you are ok with the fact that you are plus sized, mentally challenged, developmentally disabled, whatever, that is GREAT. I love the fact that people can see what society says about them and give them (society) the middle finger and not care.
But you also have to respect the fact that society ISN'T going to change its views just because you think highly of yourself. When you step up onto the stage of life (which arguably is YouTube right now) to give your "burlesque show" (internet video), the majority of that audience is just going to see something to make fun of.


I do understand the point you are making, but i think as reasonable people we ought to differentiate between the case of someone overly confident of themselves (the fat dancing women) and someone who has a scientifically diagnosed mental illness.

Laughing at the fat women dancing may deter them from doing it in the future from the shame they feel, but i doubt our ridicule is doing this fellow a favour. He reminds me of someone in elementary school, kids laughted at her antics and yet she continued to do her antics in the future because she just couldn't make the link that the other kid's laughing was AT her and her antics were socially unacceptable.

>> ^osama1234:
I tried downvoting this, unfortunatley i'm not a bronze member.
I feel terrible at the fact that people are making fun of this, just watching the video i could tell this man clearly has a mental illness. Upon further reading the comments, it seems that my suspicions were true.
Come on seriously, dont vote this up and stop the jokes. You're making fun of someone's disability, it's just not right.


I can't agree with you at all.

I'm tired of people feeling like society needs to respect them or understand their differences. Should we all be this way? Kind and understanding? YES. But wake up and smell the sh*t cause it's not smelling any better.

When you place yourself in the public eye you are asking for the world to judge you, whether you want it that way or not. And I apply this to all schools of thought not just about people with certain mental disabilities. Hell I hate it when people make fun of people who go LARPing (Ex: Lightning Bolt! Lightning Bolt! Lightning Bolt!) because that actually looks like FUN to me. But do I complain about it? No!

My friend told me the other day he was at a BDSM expo and they had a Burlesque show where anyone could sign up and dance. He told me the majority of women that signed up were plus sized women. This falls into the same bracket. If you are ok with the fact that you are plus sized, mentally challenged, developmentally disabled, whatever, that is GREAT. I love the fact that people can see what society says about them and give them (society) the middle finger and not care.

But you also have to respect the fact that society ISN'T going to change its views just because you think highly of yourself. When you step up onto the stage of life (which arguably is YouTube right now) to give your "burlesque show" (internet video), the majority of that audience is just going to see something to make fun of.

So, you think that somebody born with this condition doesn't have the right to exist?

I never said that. I said that defective births are usually still born anyway, or are in cases aborted when the birth becomes risky to the mother.

Fight the good fight? I don't think that really applies, people born with disabilities have no choice but to struggle anyway. You are not giving them a choice, obviously they will strive to survive. My comment was not based around their inability to do this, human psychology more powerful then physical disability.

What am talking about is creating hope through one painful medical procedure to the another. I seen operations like this, its not a fight its painful as fuck.

Steven Hawking's condition were determined while he was still in his mother's womb

Stephen Hawking has ALS, the cause of which no one knows. No substantial hereditary link has been found. So your point doesn't apply here. I mean you could be killing hundreds of potential Einsteins masturbating, that is still not a good way of refuting this. This is the same argument pro-Choice people have.

People learn to cope with the cards they're dealt and we should leave it to them to make the choice to live or die.

I don't think its a choice when you have a medical community intervene on a birth that would lead to death a few decades ago.

I don't know why you are painting me out as some morally depraved bastard, I never said lets just kill her and be done with it, of course the story of her life is touching.

But you are taking one girl aptly called the mermaid girl and pulling out a morally high position out of it. She has the means to progress through this, a nurturing home to help through this. But you aren't accounting for the hundred of thousands of other defective births, I worked with mentally disabled and deformed births in Africa, no one wanted them, there is no socialized system to take of them, it was horrifying to see them to live in conditions of no love.

They were suffering. I didn't like seeing that, I think it would have been better if there were allowed to perish at birth. This girl has the means and support to make it through, most don't.

But I believe human life is nothing special and am frankly quite cold about it, I care about my fellow man of course but being alive is not an achievement or miracle its simply biology and evolution. That's why I never understand the sadness people feel when having a still born child, naming them and then having funerals, he was still born for a reason, his life experience is as peaceful as you can have. Its best to move on and have another child and do everything possible to have a safe birth.

It's an absolutely fantastic idea. It's the people that would watch this show and make fun of them who are the real mentally disabled.

This is a great clip! I think it's disappointing how educating people with mental disabilities about sex is still tabboo, almost, even today. They need to know just as we do about anatomy and reproduction. Just because they're "different" doesn't mean they don't have the same urges.

>> ^CaptainPlanet420:
Yes of course! This is how Hussein boy can keep the Presidency past two terms. Two terms as a man, two as a woman, then keep creating things to be. Genius.


You really give mentally-disabled people a bad name.

I don't think I could've hoped for a nicer reply I like your new user icon / avatar pic too!

In reply to this comment by alien_concept:
Oh that's great and I really do understand what you've been saying now. For me it's like i'm not very pc, notoriously bad for it, so I am aware I can personally be offensive sometimes and such, as can a lot of us. If it's not one thing it's another, but what I really wanted to achieve with this thread was just to back you up a bit so you didn't feel like you were talking to a brick wall. Because that's really fucking aggravating for anyone. And although I think it's not going to change much and it's not gonna stop people making gay jokes (along with midget, women, mental disability, religion etc etc) at least it will make people a tiny bit more aware when they do, that includes me. I think that the more accepted things become the more people will use it in humour, kind of like being overfamiliar and at ease with someone you don't really think about how you interact with them. Jibes at any given group of people are rife when you really break it down, it's just the more taboo are more glaringly obvious. Anyway i'm really glad you brought it up berti and it's cool you've been so laid back about things in general. Thanks for kicking some arse back there, you're cool

Just pasting what I wrote to berticus in his profile, cos I have issues with repeating myself and this basically says everything I wanted to say anyway.

"Oh that's great and I really do understand what you've been saying now. For me it's like i'm not very pc, notoriously bad for it, so I am aware I can personally be offensive sometimes and such, as can a lot of us. If it's not one thing it's another, but what I really wanted to achieve with this thread was just to back you up a bit so you didn't feel like you were talking to a brick wall. Because that's really fucking aggravating for anyone. And although I think it's not going to change much and it's not gonna stop people making gay jokes (along with midget, women, mental disability, religion etc etc) at least it will make people a tiny bit more aware when they do, that includes me. I think that the more accepted things become the more people will use it in humour, kind of like being overfamiliar and at ease with someone you don't really think about how you interact with them. Jibes at any given group of people are rife when you really break it down, it's just the more taboo are more glaringly obvious. Anyway i'm really glad you brought it up berti and it's cool you've been so laid back about things in general. Thanks for kicking some arse back there, you're good "

Oh that's great and I really do understand what you've been saying now. For me it's like i'm not very pc, notoriously bad for it, so I am aware I can personally be offensive sometimes and such, as can a lot of us. If it's not one thing it's another, but what I really wanted to achieve with this thread was just to back you up a bit so you didn't feel like you were talking to a brick wall. Because that's really fucking aggravating for anyone. And although I think it's not going to change much and it's not gonna stop people making gay jokes (along with midget, women, mental disability, religion etc etc) at least it will make people a tiny bit more aware when they do, that includes me. I think that the more accepted things become the more people will use it in humour, kind of like being overfamiliar and at ease with someone you don't really think about how you interact with them. Jibes at any given group of people are rife when you really break it down, it's just the more taboo are more glaringly obvious. Anyway i'm really glad you brought it up berti and it's cool you've been so laid back about things in general. Thanks for kicking some arse back there, you're cool

In reply to this comment by berticus:
Hey! You don't need to apologise... I don't feel that you singled me out. I'm really pleased that it's important to you and that you want to discuss it. But much like you I don't feel militant enough to pursue it, so I was backing off. In any case I don't want you to think that you need to apologise to me for anything, and actually, I'm sorry if I said anything that seemed harsh or overly negative.

In reply to this comment by alien_concept:
Hey berticus. Look I in no way meant to single you out. My chief aim was to rehighlight it as you seemed to want to back off from it having gotten "tired of policing it." I just didn't want you to feel like that. I wanted it to be an important topic that even if not resolved was at least looked at and not brushed under the carpet. But i'm done, i'm not militant enough for all this haha. Sorry man

I actually agree with most of what you're saying. I agree that we need to make welfare (and other social programs) more like the hardhat than Vicodin. Better still, I want it to be like a cheap-but-effective hardhat, plus good training that makes sure people understand how to safely handle nail guns. People who want nicer hardhats are free to buy 'em, too.

As for Obama's qualifications, I agree about his resume being thin, but we've had a lot of great Presidents with thin resumes. To be truthful, I think his argument that a President needs more judgment than experience is accurate as well. The President will always be availed with the best experts he can find on any subject matter -- his job is to listen to the advice and call the shot. In a sense, as long as the President is passably familiar with the issues at work (and Obama has shown that he's more than passably familiar with the issues we face), and has a record of good judgment (which I contend Obama has had), he can be effective.

I'm glad you're more moderate than most around here -- seems like we have a lot of market fundamentalists hanging out here. I also agree with what you're saying about needing to make government more efficient in how it uses the money. I think Bush has shown that the modern Republican party is trying to make government as inefficient and broken as they can, so more people lose faith in government and fall for the siren call of the "small government" Republican party. Democrats on the other hand want desperately to fix it, make it efficient and effective, in order to restore people's faith in government. They're not the Socialist party -- increasing the size of government is a means to an end, not an end in an of itself. If reducing the scope of government proves more effective, Democrats will go for it (think Clinton with capital gains tax cuts, and NAFTA). We just don't see reducing the scope of government as some sort of absolute necessity that shouldn't ever be questioned.

As far as taxes go, Obama's plan is primarily aimed at shifting the burden, but it does both increase the amount of expected tax revenue, while cutting some spending (Iraq war), and introducing new spending (healthcare). It includes a deficit, but a smaller one than McCain's (since he doesn't even come close to offsetting his tax cut with spending cuts).

I agree with you that corporate benefits can help regular people, I just think we've gotten to a point where we're doing too much corporate welfare, and not enough of the regular kind. I share your concern about cracking down too hard on oil companies, since the price of gas will likely increase, but I don't think there's anything wrong with giving them a big push towards helping find alternatives to oil, rather than new places to drill for oil. They're supposedly "energy" companies, after all.

I also think corporations have too much influence over government policy generally, and that the government shouldn't be run by people who equate corporate interest with common interest. There's certainly overlap, but common interest should be the priority when they diverge.

In reply to this comment by deedub81:
I don't think that anyone makes a conscious decision to be homeless. It's a consequence of their actions. The result of the sum of their decisions over a period of time landed them where they are today. Only 3% of homeless people in this country have mental disabilities, so it's not like they just one day woke up homeless. It's not that I don't feel compassion for somebody who has made mistakes and found themselves in a really bad spot. I do. But that's why I choose to give back in my donations. I believe we should be focusing more energy on prevention and education. If you've got a nail in your head, Vicodin will make it feel a little better -Or I could have provided you with a hardhat so that you didn't get that nail in the first place. Welfare is meant to be the hardhat but, over the years, it has evolved into the Vicodin. Now we've got to surgically removed the nails and pass out hardhats. I'll stop before I get too carried away. My point is, the government doesn't do much with my money to help people rise above poverty. It helps them to stay alive while continuing to live their poor quality of life while not doing much do address the reason that they are there in the first place. Guess what happens to their children.


I agree with you that wealthy people have different concerns than do poor people, but my point is that they aren't as far removed from the rest of us as you make them out to be. Again, I didn't vote for John McCain, nor do I want him to be our next President. That doesn't make Barack Obama qualified. If you present me with a rotten peach and a rotten apple, I'll tell you that neither of them is appetizing.

I don't believe in fundamental capitalism. I'm happy to pay taxes to fund roads and education and defense, among other things. All of those things are good. I just feel that this country already collects more than enough money from it's citizens. We need to concentrate our energy on being more efficient and effective, not on collecting more money from the rich or from anybody. Not adding new programs, but streamlining the programs that we already have in place. Does all the money collecting from the gas tax go to maintain our transportation infrastructure? It was supposed to. Speaking of roads, is our long term expenditure on our roads efficient? No. We focus too much on getting them done quickly on not enough on building them to last. We work over and over on the same problems when we could have done it right the first time for a little more money up front.

I also feel that those who have succeeded have a greater responsibility to support our common good. I just don't believe that they should be forced to shoulder the cost of the common good more than anybody else does.

When corporations receive monetary benefits resulting from legislation, it's not always a bad thing. It's always a bad thing when lawmakers make it harder for large corporations (don't get me started on military contractors like Lockheed. You and I will probably agree a lot on that issue). Too many people in this county have a negative attitude toward Exxon and other oil companies. I think we've done a VERY good job keeping fuel inexpensive. Even with all the recent price increases, fuel is still cheaper here than in most other countries, including Japan and the UK. As soon as you increase taxes on corporations like Exxon, or increase restrictions that cause their profits to be reduced, their responsibilities to their shareholders dictate that they must increase their margins. In other words, picking on big oil only hurts the lower and middle classes in this country. ...or picking on any big business for that matter.

I don't think that anyone makes a conscious decision to be homeless. It's a consequence of their actions. The result of the sum of their decisions over a period of time landed them where they are today. Only 3% of homeless people in this country have mental disabilities, so it's not like they just one day woke up homeless. It's not that I don't feel compassion for somebody who has made mistakes and found themselves in a really bad spot. I do. But that's why I choose to give back in my donations. I believe we should be focusing more energy on prevention and education. If you've got a nail in your head, Vicodin will make it feel a little better -Or I could have provided you with a hardhat so that you didn't get that nail in the first place. Welfare is meant to be the hardhat but, over the years, it has evolved into the Vicodin. Now we've got to surgically removed the nails and pass out hardhats. I'll stop before I get too carried away. My point is, the government doesn't do much with my money to help people rise above poverty. It helps them to stay alive while continuing to live their poor quality of life while not doing much do address the reason that they are there in the first place. Guess what happens to their children.


I agree with you that wealthy people have different concerns than do poor people, but my point is that they aren't as far removed from the rest of us as you make them out to be. Again, I didn't vote for John McCain, nor do I want him to be our next President. That doesn't make Barack Obama qualified. If you present me with a rotten peach and a rotten apple, I'll tell you that neither of them is appetizing.

I don't believe in fundamental capitalism. I'm happy to pay taxes to fund roads and education and defense, among other things. All of those things are good. I just feel that this country already collects more than enough money from it's citizens. We need to concentrate our energy on being more efficient and effective, not on collecting more money from the rich or from anybody. Not adding new programs, but streamlining the programs that we already have in place. Does all the money collecting from the gas tax go to maintain our transportation infrastructure? It was supposed to. Speaking of roads, is our long term expenditure on our roads efficient? No. We focus too much on getting them done quickly on not enough on building them to last. We work over and over on the same problems when we could have done it right the first time for a little more money up front.

I also feel that those who have succeeded have a greater responsibility to support our common good. I just don't believe that they should be forced to shoulder the cost of the common good more than anybody else does.

When corporations receive monetary benefits resulting from legislation, it's not always a bad thing. It's always a bad thing when lawmakers make it harder for large corporations (don't get me started on military contractors like Lockheed. You and I will probably agree a lot on that issue). Too many people in this county have a negative attitude toward Exxon and other oil companies. I think we've done a VERY good job keeping fuel inexpensive. Even with all the recent price increases, fuel is still cheaper here than in most other countries, including Japan and the UK. As soon as you increase taxes on corporations like Exxon, or increase restrictions that cause their profits to be reduced, their responsibilities to their shareholders dictate that they must increase their margins. In other words, picking on big oil only hurts the lower and middle classes in this country. ...or picking on any big business for that matter.

Yeah I do, cos films don't always have to reflect real life word for word. There are mentally disabled people out there who do have children, working with them myself for a while I had a colleague who had a day job in a centre to help these guys learn basic parenting skills, which is more than most parents get. I honestly don't know if they were as challenged as Sean Penn is in this film. Also, any film that raises awareness of issues such as these is a plus. The acting from the whole cast is brilliant, the subject matter is adorable. So yeah, again, I love this film