Why the UK Election Results are Worst in History - CGP Grey

Dumdeedumsays...

It's a tricky one. On one hand it could be improved, but on the other hand I'm happy with a system that converted UKIP's (Team Purple) 13% into 0%.

Well happy with that part, less happy about being stuck with the bloody Tories for another five years.

ChaosEnginesays...

While I agree with you about UKIP, even though I don't like them, it's still not really democratic, is it? Yes, 13% might be ignorant bigotted morons, but as much as it pains me, they still have a right to representation.

The other aspect that Grey doesn't mention is that changing to STV or MMP would affect the vote, not just the results. You vote differently under those systems (especially MMP), because you know that you can affect the outcome in different ways.

So if the UK re-ran the election under MMP, we'd see a change in result, but it wouldn't be exactly how the votes played out now.

Dumdeedumsaid:

It's a tricky one. On one hand it could be improved, but on the other hand I'm happy with a system that converted UKIP's (Team Purple) 13% into 0%.

Well happy with that part, less happy about being stuck with the bloody Tories for another five years.

dannym3141says...

It doesn't matter how any of us feels about UKIP, it flat out was not democratic. Take a look at the number of votes per seat of the significant players in the 2015 election.

First past the post is a great way for 2 parties to maintain a stranglehold on power, which is a great way for politics to stagnate. What the video also neglects to mention - i think - is that these boundaries and seats regularly change according to what suits the party in power. My constituency used to be Labour, but recently they redefined the boundaries of my constituency so that the Labour seat i used to live in became Tory due to poor people being sectioned off into another constituency that was already strongly Labour. We are now associated with the richer more privileged parts of the area.

Blame the popularity of UKIP on the fact that none of the main parties have gained the trust of the average person, none of them have represented the interests of the average person, and none of them have spoken about the issues affecting the average person. In how long now? I don't know, but certainly for as long as i have known, so at least 25 years.

ChaosEnginesaid:

not really democratic, is it?

Jinxsays...

Tbh, it pains me that a result like this happened AFTER a referendum on voting reform. If more people had realised that voting for the 3rd/4th/5th party was going to result in a majority Tory government with only a 1/3 of the votes maybe less people would have listened to Labour/Conservatives propaganda.

It's pretty funny how maybe a decade ago this narrow of a win would have been reported as vote of no-confidence for any party. This time around it seemed people were so relieved to not have a hung parliament that they seem to have let the blues off the hook completely while they enact their bonkers plans for austerity without a real mandate from the people.

ps. I totally predicted the election result and I'd just like to tell all those political pundits that I am ready to accept their resignation and yes I told ya so.

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