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Because it's exceptionally refreshing to hear this from such a well-reasoned an articulated individual.

I'm not an anti-feminist by any stretch; I believe in full equality between all human beings. However the strong, vocal majority of the feminist movements have done more harm to bringing us that equality than helping it.

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If you want to rage a bit read these two posts by a feminist blogger:
http://evebitfirst.wordpress.com/2010/10/07/a-rant/
http://evebitfirst.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/a-man-is-a-rape-supporter-if/

Also, on a completely different topic, I wonder if any of you have been to:
http://macholikeme.com/
It seems like a very interesting play/movie and I would like to hear if it is worth shelling out for.

I've been saying since 1974 that men need to have their Liberation Movement. Why the heck he has to frame it in relation to the Women's Movement, if this summary of his point of view is correct "Warren argues that society has been mislead by the feminist movement into perceiving women as victims of male oppression. He believes that the reverse is true; women have most of the rights and privileges whilst men are treated like 2nd-class citizens."

It does none of us any good to turn real issues into a pity party as to who is "oppressed" more.

.....Ah!!! I've just listened to the first 4 minutes and the summary is pure crap!

From the second part: He began to "speak on behalf of both sexes rather than just on behalf of women."

I love this man. The summary is crap, but Warren is top drawer.

I wonder if you understand that first link, L. "A rant."

Do you understand what she is trying to do? She is trying to instill in men the generalized fear that women live with EVERY SINGLE DAY.

It's awful, isn't it? To think that some random woman might attack you at any moment. That you aren't ever safe.

Get mad at that blog entry -- but understand that perhaps you might save some rage for how women live each day. This is our reality. It's awful, isn't it?

I don't agree with her, though -- I agree more with Warren -- that men have some work to do to save themselves from the cultural trap they are in. They have work to do to reclaim themselves.

This isn't a contest in who has hurt the other more. We all have to take responsibility for ourselves. Women need to walk out of abusive relationships immediately. Men need to learn how to be emotional/have emotions without it seeming like they are less than "manly."

THIS ISN'T A CONTEST.

>> ^LarsaruS:

If you want to rage a bit read these two posts by a feminist blogger:
http://evebitfirst.wordpress.com/2010/10/07/a-rant/
http://evebitfirst.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/a-man-is-a-rape-supporter
-if/
Also, on a completely different topic, I wonder if any of you have been to:
http://macholikeme.com/
It seems like a very interesting play/movie and I would like to hear if it is worth shelling out for.

>> ^bareboards2:

I wonder if you understand that first link, L. "A rant."
Do you understand what she is trying to do? She is trying to instill in men the generalized fear that women live with EVERY SINGLE DAY.
It's awful, isn't it? To think that some random woman might attack you at any moment. That you aren't ever safe.
Get mad at that blog entry -- but understand that perhaps you might save some rage for how women live each day. This is our reality. It's awful, isn't it?
I don't agree with her, though -- I agree more with Warren -- that men have some work to do to save themselves from the cultural trap they are in. They have work to do to reclaim themselves.
This isn't a contest in who has hurt the other more. We all have to take responsibility for ourselves. Women need to walk out of abusive relationships immediately. Men need to learn how to be emotional/have emotions without it seeming like they are less than "manly."
THIS ISN'T A CONTEST.
>> ^LarsaruS:
If you want to rage a bit read these two posts by a feminist blogger:
http://evebitfirst.wordpress.com/2010/10/07/a-rant/
http://evebitfirst.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/a-man-is-a-rape-supporter

-if/
Also, on a completely different topic, I wonder if any of you have been to:
http://macholikeme.com/
It seems like a very interesting play/movie and I would like to hear if it is worth shelling out for.


Well, if thats what she was trying to do then she has failed pretty badly. Between accusing all men of being pro-rape and suggesting that we should all go die she has rather set herself up to not be taken seriously. I'm not raging, I'm laughing. This is what a lot of men associate with feminism, and it does their cause more harm than good.

I'm beginning to suspect that a real barrier to moving forward on men's and women's issue is a lack of empathy, a two way lack of empathy.

Maybe my comment should have been -- look past the anger of this post and just take a moment to imagine what it is like to be her, and why she would write this.

I think this is at the heart of all conflict, actually. A lack of empathy.

So forget what she was trying to do. What I am trying to do is to foster some empathy.

Any chance you can go back and read that rant again, with this perspective? To imagine what it would feel like to be frightened of any random woman on the street?


>> ^Jinx:

>> >:
Well, if thats what she was trying to do then she has failed pretty badly.

. removed due to me being stupid...

I am so so so SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO sick of being told what I think while what I actually think is ignored.

I stand by what I have said. I don't mean any more or any less than what I said.