so anoying ! arghf i cnt belive how dence some people are

lol he ends with

"if you are looking for ansewers look in that book called the bible the word of god" surly if you actualy wanted to prove your argument in religoin then you would start with proving the bible to be real and actualy the word of god,

I wonder if, during the death throes of the Greek gods (Zeus, Apollo, Athena, etc), there were apologists like this guy, trying to convince people that Zeus really was the king of the gods and that Apollo really did pull the sun across the sky riding in a chariot? I do wonder.

I'm not saying Christianity is in it's death throes, we're a thousand years from that. I'm merely wondering if the classic Greek gods had defenders like this guy. I'm betting "yes."

The thing that theists always get wrong is that atheism is some organization similar to established religions, replete with belief systems and dogma.

WRONG

Atheism is simply a rejection of theist suppositions. Period.

Atheism is the ABSENCE of something, not the presence of something.

Oh, how I wish theists would get that right. Oh, I pray and pray that theists understand that one day. Oh, wait...

amen! ;-)

good tags

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Wait ... he STARTS OUT by telling people he likes to overcharge / fool people into paying more for his books?!

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his concept of science, is terrible...
and all he speaks of atheism as Faith, and reason is the overriding reason, whats more reasonable God ... or Nothing?

Well, noone (except the guy in this video) expects the origin of the universe to come from nothing, some peopel supply an answer of "not sure" and suddenly they are supposed to act "It was god" as that is a better suposition than 'nothing'?

Rubbish

Why is he claiming "evolution explains the origin of the universe" It does not!
Oh no, now he's onto the old "explosions don't start life, explosions are casue disorder yadda yadda

>> ^shuac:
I'm not saying Christianity is in it's death throes, we're a thousand years from that.

I disagree. Religion is thrashing its arms around slowly drowning in a sea of reason. In 100 years religion will still exist, but be in the minority. It is the natural evolution of religion.


Nature gods >> Animalistic gods >> Human gods >> A god >> We are god (jesus, human) >> No god >> ?

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China will control the world, by default, in about 250 years. And they're not terribly religious.

>> ^shuac:
I wonder if, during the death throes of the Greek gods (Zeus, Apollo, Athena, etc), there were apologists like this guy, trying to convince people that Zeus really was the king of the gods and that Apollo really did pull the sun across the sky riding in a chariot? I do wonder.

A lot of people have the misconception that all the Greeks thought that the myths are literally true. While that was a common opinion among the masses, the educated elite were generally aware that the myths were instructive stories--tales we could learn from, but not necessarily literal accounts of actual events. Anyone with even a wee smattering of astronomical knowledge was aware that the sun wasn't actually pulled by a chariot.

The idea that myths have to be literally true gained ascendancy with Christianity. In fact, assertions to that effect by Christians were the cause of much derision of Christians by intellectual pagans, as Saint Augustine pointed out in his work, "On the Literal Interpretation of Genesis." (He was, by the way, opposed to a literal interpretation of Genesis.)

But yes, there were people who attempted intellectual defenses of paganism in the face of the rise of Christianity, such as Julian the Apostate, the last pagan Emperor. Had he not died so early in his reign, Greek and Roman religion would probably still be around today. The intellectual defenses brought by men like Julian were usually grounded in Neoplatonic philosophy.