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#1) 7 points is hardly a landslide victory
#2) Deciding who "won" an argument is totally subjective.

Though, I find it difficult to trust any news media. Especially those as big as CNN, Fox, NBC, etc.. the only reason any of them show results of polls is to influence viewers (i.e. voters). PERIOD. It's not to be informative. It's not to be honest. It's not to be helpful. It's because people blindly follow the lead of others.

"Oh, 75% think X is good? I also think X is good because, well I simply can't form an objective opinion of my own."

CNN goes way out of their way to pretend that everything has two equal sides.

Every non-opinion article was "well Obama might have a slight win...But Romney had a solid performance"

"The President is an American Citizen....but he MIGHT be a socialist kenyan muslim space alien...it's possible people! it could go either way people!

You don't "win" a debate unless you are on a high school debate team.

1) 7 points is a fairly big margin of victory in a presidential race. Look back at previous debate numbers for comparison.
2) An individual opinion of who won a debate is somewhat subjective (there must be criteria, or the term "win" would be meaningless). A scientific poll of who the population at large thinks won the debate is an objective statistic. If we agree that the winner, de facto, is the person ahead on that statistic, then it's objective. Everybody agrees that Romney won the first debate based on that metric. Obama won this one.

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#1) 7 points is hardly a landslide victory
#2) Deciding who "won" an argument is totally subjective.
Though, I find it difficult to trust any news media. Especially those as big as CNN, Fox, NBC, etc.. the only reason any of them show results of polls is to influence viewers (i.e. voters). PERIOD. It's not to be informative. It's not to be honest. It's not to be helpful. It's because people blindly follow the lead of others.
"Oh, 75% think X is good? I also think X is good because, well I simply can't form an objective opinion of my own."

This "who won" thing points to why the culture of the US is broken. We are incapable at this point of discussing issue details on a national scale, and the media (even TYT in this case) is fueling the fire.

We need to collectively evolve past this as a nation or we will perish.

God Bless The Young Turks. I wish I had that much juice in me to get worked up enough to produce a video for my rants.

A scientific poll of whether the population at large thinks broccoli is better than cauliflower is about as objective a statistic as this one.

how does Cenk know that 7 points isn't within the margin of error? Does he have access to the numbers? What the standard error reported on CNN? It usually isn't (or, if it is, it's in the fine print and something tells me Cenk isn't reading that).

TYT should do a show on mental masturbation, because that is what they specialize in.

I find it interesting that every presidential contest is 'close', convenient isn't it? Toss in a few so-called voting anomalies or quirky machines behaving one way in key areas, and just fine everywhere else. Software isn't emotional. It either works, or it doesn't. It is either well tested, or it isn't. It is either secure, or it isn't. If it isn't tested, if it isn't secure, if it doesn't work, then that means someone intentionally gave it the green light for release. Your bank machines? Super secure. Do you realize those who make voting machines also make bank machines? Why can't they make voting machines as reliable for transactions as banking machines?

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You don't "win" a debate unless you are on a high school debate team.


Sure you do. Just because blue ribbons weren't handed out doesn't mean there's no prize. The objective is to convince uncommitted voters to take your side. Both candidates probably did that but one of them won more votes than the other.