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<beginsDrama>
<yelling>
FUCKING LISTEN TO THE MAN!

FOR FUCK SAKE, THEY THROW MONEY AROUND LIKE ITS WET TOILET PAPER.
</yelling>

<tiredwhisper>
It's all a fucking joke, freedom was a fucking joke. They fleeced this country a long time ago. Continue working, use your credit cards, pay your bills, and sell your flesh.
</tiredWhisper>
</endDrama>

I love giving my money to people that don't deserve it.

^
One of my favorite things to do as well!

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>> ^NordlichReiter:
<beginsDrama>
<yelling>
FUCKING LISTEN TO THE MAN!
FOR FUCK SAKE, THEY THROW MONEY AROUND LIKE ITS WET TOILET PAPER.
</yelling>
<tiredwhisper>
It's all a fucking joke, freedom was a fucking joke. They fleeced this country a long time ago. Continue working, use your credit cards, pay your bills, and sell your flesh.
</tiredWhisper>
</endDrama>

I don't understand why the auto union FAILout is getting so much press. Doesn't anyone besides Ron Paul, you and me remember the bastards already gave away close to a trillion dollars to fktard bankers? Half of that money has mysteriously evaporated and Dickhead Paulson, patron saint of all thieves, won't tell or doesn't know where it's gone!

Complaining about this pissant 15 billion auto union bailout is like getting upset over the blood stains in the carpet in a roomful of dead bodies.

That said, Ron Paul says the right things but is simply too far out in some of his views to garner mainstream acceptance. Damned shame.

Why don't the oil companies loan the car companies some of the billions of profit they've been raking in over the past few years?

QM, when the country is so far gone, "far out views" are the ones you need.

Ron Paul's problem is he can't finish a coherent sentence. He manages to reduce powerful facts to a jumble of exasperated syllables.

>> ^quantumushroom:

Complaining about this pissant 15 billion auto union bailout is like getting upset over the blood stains in the carpet in a roomful of dead bodies.


Damn straight.

But you know why they're complaining so loud don't you? This isn't about "wasting tax payer money". This is about the GOP trying to once and for all completely dismantle organized labor, beginning with the steel and auto workers union.

Upvote Paulitics.

He may possibly be the only non-socialist representative currently in the United States government.

But you know why they're complaining so loud don't you? This isn't about "wasting tax payer money". This is about the GOP trying to once and for all completely dismantle organized labor, beginning with the steel and auto workers union.

I respectfully disagree that it's a drive by the GOP to do ANYthing.

Echoing soulmonarch, the GOP in its current form is no longer conservative and there may be only 4 or 5 non-socialists left in Congress.

The greatest argument against the viability of unions has been the unions themselves, not the GOP. It's economics: you cannot have 4 or 5 retirees earning benefits for every full-time worker.

The America-based Japanese car companies have no unions, their employees make good wages and their companies aren't facing extinction.

A revolution may be in order, but RoPaul won't be its leader.

>> ^quantumushroom:

The America-based Japanese car companies have no unions, their employees make good wages and their companies aren't facing extinction.


...and yet their take-home pay is similar once you subtract the union dues from the UAW pay scale. Unions are just another form of government outside the Government, acting like a business where it tell it's shareholders what to do, rather than the other way round.

Congressman Paul did make a great point: take the money from somewhere else.

The Pentagon's budget would be a great start.

Per the discussion above:

Unions are supposed to be a way for the laborer to earn a fair share of the pie.

If it weren't for the UAW, Toyota, BMW, et al. would not be paying comparative wages.

Bank on it.

Yes, unions are imperfect and some are corrupt.

And yes, most Americans are too god damned stupid to understand the strength of collective bargaining.

Yes, the average American would be better off with more unions in our economy levelling the "paying" field.

Bank on it.

Yay, goodbye auto industry. Goodbye, Detroit. Goodbye, millions of jobs. I am utterly sick of libertarianism, Ron Paul, Ayn Rand, Republicans, Objectivism, etc.

>> ^soulmonarch:
Upvote Paulitics.
He may possibly be the only non-socialist representative currently in the United States government.

I think Karl Marx just rolled over in his grave again for the hundredth million time (he's been watching Faux news). You may have won a prize, but then you'd have to give half of it to your fellow human beings. Guess you'll just have to make do without it, huh? I mean, more stupidity isn't exactly what you need most right now anyway.

>> ^quantumushroom:
The greatest argument against the viability of unions has been the unions themselves, not the GOP. It's economics: you cannot have 4 or 5 retirees earning benefits for every full-time worker.


Says someone who's not in a union.

I am (MPSC 839), and there's no way in hell that I'd ever want to be without. Studios in my field that are non-union do NOT pay competitive wages, or have nearly the benefits we do. People in my industry are dying to get into union work for very good, important, specific reasons.

Rougy said the rest better than I can.

I'm right here. Cash only, please. Somewhere around 50K will do it. Thanks.

>> ^MarineGunrock:
I love giving my money to people that don't deserve it.

God, I love decay of civilizations. And to actually be in one? It's absolutely thrilling. I can't wait to start the raping and looting.

Is "lending" the same thing as "nationalizing"? If I loan you $1000, does it mean I own a piece of your life?

Huh? Top 15 for this ideologue?

The entire conservative philosophy is as sound as a "philosophy" of medicine based on the principle that since organs sometimes fail, people will be healthier if we just removed all of them before anything goes wrong.

Fighting for reduction of government spending in a recession is like applying leeches to a patient with anemia -- not just backward and misguided, but the exact wrong action to take.

Even so, while Paul was against the bailout for ideological reasons, most of his fellow Republicans were against this for more pedestrian reasons. This was, as Gettelfinger put it, about piercing the heart of the labor movement in the US, while also sticking up for the foreign automakers who they do business with in their states.

The deal fell apart, not because conservatives were sticking to their conservative principles, but because they demanded that unions cut their pay to below the levels of the foreign automakers in 2009 instead of 2011 (the latter had been offered by the UAW). Isn't that a case of government trying to tell business how it should operate? I seem to remember Republicans saying so when it was talking about limiting executive salaries for the TARP ($700bn) program. Guess they were just blowing smoke. Reminds me a bit about how tax cuts for the middle class were socialism, but tax cuts for the rich is good conservative governance.

Oh, and the bill failed in a vote of 52 for, 35 against. Obstructionist filibuster much?

From a purely political POV, I couldn't be happier with how this turned out. The word "Neo-Hooverite" is getting some play, and there's no doubt at all about which party will be responsible if either GM or Chrysler end up collapsing, or having major layoffs.

On the other hand, from the perspective of someone who cares about our country, I'm disappointed, and hope there won't be too many more chances for the Republicans to successfully implement their childish, misguided, hypocritical corrupt class warfare bullshit.

If he is a republican Ill eat my hat.

I'm sick of opinions, free thoughts and individualism.

The auto industry deserves to be burned to the ground and rebuilt on a rocky foundation. Anything else is just a fools distraction.

>> ^Fjnbk:
Yay, goodbye auto industry. Goodbye, Detroit. Goodbye, millions of jobs. I am utterly sick of libertarianism, Ron Paul, Ayn Rand, Republicans, Objectivism, etc.

those "millions of jobs" wouldn't just be deleted. people still need cars, it's just they will be made by japanese companies instead of american companies, but still with the same american workers (not millions of specially flown in japanese people who pay tax to japan, right?)

then you'll have secure american jobs, and better cars.

at least i think that's what ron paul is saying, he fudged it up so much, so that fjnbk didn't even hear the anticipatory rebuttal of his argument.

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