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Sorry .. this is a dupe of this:
http://www.videosift.com/video/Fusion-Mans-First-Public-Flight-Demonstration-1

It isn't a dupe. Just the same subject.

hmm, this one has music, the other is more like a news report. hmm, we could *discuss this and get a consensus.

This video is being sent to Sift Talk for discussion - discuss requested by swampgirl.

It's the same video footage except this one is shorter and has a different sound track.
If you go 15 seconds into this one and 5 seconds into the other one .. it's the same thing.
Sorry.

Ban 'em all and let God sort 'em out. Oh wait, we're not banning someone? Sorry. Jumped the gun. I've been wanting to use my new instaban powers because I'm a huge prick.

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it's not really a dupe since it features some footage we don't see in the other post

Some is not enough. Dupe it is.

Two outta three goldies say it's alright. Anyone else have an opinion? I'm gonna be neutral since I blogged it I guess...

It's a close call, but I think this one has just enough different footage to qualify it as being different. That makes a total of three out of five opinions here (I'm including the non-goldie's opinion because he has eyes too , so I'm going to *return it.

Returning this video from Sift Talk - return requested by kronosposeidon.

Aero*spacy

Adding video to channels (Spacy) - requested by kronosposeidon.

upvote for democracy

If this were a dupe, we'd have to clean out a lot of weeds in the sift. Clearly not a dupe.

>>ashes2flame:
>>"It's the same video footage except this one is shorter and has a different sound track.
>>If you go 15 seconds into this one and 5 seconds into the other one .. it's the same thing.
>>Sorry."
Not enough to make it a dupe. If it were the same sound as well, it would be borderline, but now, not at all.

2 things make this not a dupe: New footage, as kulpims said, even if it's not a lot of new footage and different sound.

Not to beat it to death .. but ..

I asked for this to be * discussed because I thought it was a dupe. The community felt it wasn't. I accept that and upvote the video. I'm not out to get anyone here. I honestly hate to see videos get discarded. But I really think dupes are becoming a big problem for the Sift.

I still think this is a dupe. But maybe I don't understand the precise definition of "dupe" on this site. That may be because there is no exact prescribed formula to define one.

There is this however from the FAQ:
"Search the site before submitting to see if the video has already been posted.

Duplicates will be * discarded. A duplicate video is one which contains content already on VideoSift in a published, queued, personal queued, or dead video submission. Minor changes in content, like a few additional insignificant seconds of video or alternate background music, will still be considered dupes. The only exception to this is if the change in audio makes a significant difference to the video content."

So according to the FAQ .. just having new sound or some new video does not mean a submission isn't a dupe.

Now it's all very subjective but .. does adding the song "Rocket Man" make a "significant difference to the video content"? The other video contains significantly more video and informative audio regarding the same event. The only difference I see is a few still photos added to the beginning of this one.

I like both videos. And UnseenUltra, I apologize for bringing this into your first sifted video. But I honestly feel like we have to start tackling the dupe issue here or we will be shifting from sifting YouTube etc to indexing it.

Invocations (discard) cannot be called by ashes2flames because ashes2flames is not privileged - sorry.

Just to clarify .. the * discard was unintentional. Was a copy/paste from the FAQ

*flogs horse*

Hmm, it seems I'm a bit more forgiving with dupes than the letter of the law. I also agree that the dupe situation needs to be addressed, and if you have doubts about a video * discuss is needed. I'm glad we have a democracy on the sift an that it works here.
That being said, I'd rather let 10 dupes through then to discard a non-dupe.

I'm glad my first post could strike up controversy over guidelines. Since I'm somewhat of a neophyte on this site, I won't insert my own opinion on the topic, and instead leave this dispute to you sift veterans.

*wings

Adding video to channels (Wings) - requested by kulpims.

*promote

Promoting this video back to the front page; last published Saturday, May 17th, 2008 1:10pm PDT - promote requested by joedirt.