god i would love to be on an american version of this show

Not sure about the popular attitudes in Turkey, but I'm afraid if something like this ever aired in the US it would feature faux Atheists who "saw the light" at the end of most shows. A real atheist could not be convinced because they're familiar with the common arguments and circular logic used by religious types.

It naturally follows that someone who is atheist is extremely familiar with logic and reasoning, and has considered all the arguments for the existence of god and found them lacking. Atheism is the conclusion of reasoning, not some random thing people decide they are one day.

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^ potchi79

You can't assume that all Atheists are smart and logical the same way you can't assume stereotypes of other religions are true either. There are lot's of people raised Atheist that don't know all the logic holes and just know they don't believe.

I see atheism itself as a belief system, especially for the more zealous atheists around. Some of these folks can be as doctrinaire as religious people.

There's also the possibility they will select "false atheists", who are simply theists who are "angry at God" for some tragedy in their life. They can be persuaded to come back to the church with some of that touchy-feely circular reasoning. If you've every heard of a very religious person who says they used to be an atheist, that's what happened to them. They never actually rejected magical thinking, or fully embraced logic and reason.

There are also "agnostics" who for one reason or another felt out of place in the church they were raised in, and eventually convert to another religion where they feel welcome and included. Again, these are people who never actually saw what lies were being told, and were acting purely on the social pressures.

^I think you're probably dead on with your assessment. I've met a lot of people that aren't religious or answer they don't know if God exists or not. To me these people are kind of in limbo, they don't seem to have given much thought to the issue or they're unwilling to completely give up magical thinking. A lot of people just can't accept that not everything has a reason.

That said, I could see how a true atheist could switch to become a theist. Being an atheist doesn't necessarily mean reaching fulfillment, on the contrary I think its harder to feel fulfillment as an atheist. There is no standard for what it means to live a fulfilling life as an atheist as there is as a theist. So I could see how someone who feels unfulfilled might see religion as a possibility for filling that void.

The truth hurts, nibiyabi?

>> ^Crosswords:
That said, I could see how a true atheist could switch to become a theist. Being an atheist doesn't necessarily mean reaching fulfillment, on the contrary I think its harder to feel fulfillment as an atheist. There is no standard for what it means to live a fulfilling life as an atheist as there is as a theist. So I could see how someone who feels unfulfilled might see religion as a possibility for filling that void.


I'm not sure how a true atheist could ever convert to theism, without a serious blow to the head or something. Once you realize Santa Claus isn't real, how can you go back? You can't force yourself to believe in order to gain fulfillment, and pretending doesn't help either.

However, I agree that the atheist has a more difficult time achieving some sense of fulfillment, since they don't have comfortable lies to wrap themselves in. The burden is completely on the individual to decide how and why they want to live their life. I struggle with that daily. It doesn't make me want to go to a church, though. That would just make me feel worse, seeing all those sheeple chanting in unison with their eyes glazed over...

>> ^MaxWilder:
I'm not sure how a true atheist could ever convert to theism, without a serious blow to the head or something. Once you realize Santa Claus isn't real, how can you go back? You can't force yourself to believe in order to gain fulfillment, and pretending doesn't help either.

If you're an atheist, then you know it doesn't matter what you believe or what you tell others you believe. Atheists decide what is important in life for themselves. Theists have put this false importance on belief.

For me those are the most inspiring atheists--those who can go to social religious events, who can get along in religious company, those that realize there are more important goals in life than declaring your beliefs (like Neil deGrasse Tyson for example).

Agnostics are just pussy atheists. I hate them. I hate atheists, too, because they are arrogant cunts.

I am atheist.

>> ^potchi79:
It naturally follows that someone who is atheist is extremely familiar with logic and reasoning, and has considered all the arguments for the existence of god and found them lacking.


That sounds like a converse accident fallacy with a side of begging the question. I guess you're not an atheist or you'd be extremely familiar with logic and reasoning.

(I know my last sentence is denying the antecedent. That was just for ha-ha's.)

>> ^fjules:
Agnostics are just pussy atheists. I hate them. I hate atheists, too, because they are arrogant cunts.
I am atheist.


Oh man, you're like the black KKK grand dragon on Chappelle's Show.