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But too much freedom can create chaos and no order. It's like the classic Simpsons episode where everyone is following Bart's example of doing whatever he feels like doing.

I oppose oppression and strict content control, but you also need to have some boundaries when dealing with a large crowd, like a college campus.

Idealistically having no speech codes and such seems right, but in reality it isn't all that great. Especially when you're talking about a campus full of naive yet highly enthusiastic and zealous college kids who often conjure up quite unpredictable behavior.

Sorry P&T, I usually agree with you guys, but you're wrong here. Nice try, but this isn't about the 'strength' of any particular minority group, this is about a University's right to create a positive, productive working environment and it's desire to maintain a positive public image.

Most people (especially college people) don't use racist/sexist language anyway, so I don't see how this is a big deal. And beyond this, these subjects are debated endlessly in the humanities/arts departments, so it's not as if this is some kind of taboo forbidden fruit that students remain ignorant of.

This said, I'm sure if you want to interject an ironic 'tootse' or 'niggah' into your campus conversation, surely your friends aren't going to rat you out to admin. This rule probably only truly applies to public speeches, which are generally light on this kind of talk to begin with.

Well perhaps it isnt directly related to the "strength" of the minority groups. Its related to the entire student body as a whole.

I'd like to know why the colleges are wasting so much time enforcing these questionable rules when they could be focusing on the individual incidents where the use of free speech crosses the conventional lines that we all adhere to in the real world (eg. hate speech, inciting a riot, etc). How are we preparing young people to deal with these situations if we're enforcing these uber PC rules that arbitrarily pick and choose what constitutes "acceptable" speech.

Colleges are preepmtively creating issues that should otherwise be dealt with by the students themselves.

I'd like to hear the question they posed to Noam Chomsky. I usually like him and Penn & Teller for that matter, but if you record a response without the question it's very dubious.

This exposes liberal hypocrisy yet was upvoted.

Lol @ "liberal hypocrisy"...

hypocrisy doesnt have a political party... it just is.

I know its hard to believe that some people actually care about the nation as a whole (outside of typical knee jerk patriotism), as opposed to solely supporting their political base, but its true. Have fun viewing the world through such narrow ideals.

America! F**K YEAH!!!!

I'm surprised to hear Chomsky supporting speech codes after his run-in with the French academy on the issue of holocaust denial.

Liberal majorities make up the faculties and staff of most American kollijes, therefore in this instance it's liberals who approve these "speech codes" and who are hypocrites.

Lefties are the first to scream about their rights being "violated" (which to them includes being ignored) while they are rather fascist about anyone else getting a word in.

"Open-mindedness" is not a virtue, critical thinking skills are.

It seems the reason that there aren't conservative majorities is that they can't spell college.

Maybe people are upvoting this not because they support it but because it's exposing the hypocrisy And don't be so judgmental Quantum. I'm a liberal and I'm detecting a lot of BS from this vid as well. It isn't fair to label people so quickly.

And twiddles, I think you fell for quantum's little pun there.

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"People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use."

- Søren Kierkegaard


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Speech codes present a problem because they don't just restrict people's public speech, but the speech they use in their own groups. If I call my best female friend "petal" or "sugar" or "treacle", which I often do, somebody else might overhear and report me for violating the sexual harrassment speech code becuase they found it offensive, even if I wasn't talking to them. And what about performing a play with offensive language or controversial content? Good luck.

Seems to me that the colleges are simply trying to avoid controversy and bad press. By policing the vocabulary of their students they are creating a kind of Newspeak, where some ideas will eventually be unable to be discussed because the words will not exist any more.

Call me a libertarian, but I'm all for people being able to voice whatever crazy opinion they want to. Most folks can see BS for what it is. Universities' attempts to silence certain crowds of students just makes them look like they only allow "certain" free speech. The rest is "not allowed." What?

However, I ...respect the authority of private colleges. They are non-federal businesses and ought to have the right to define clearly the rules they want obeyed on their property, be them profanity restrictions or other similar rules.

Anyway, I think a person's speech declares their relevance. If I spouted nothing but profanity or hate, I would be marginalized and eventually ignored by all but my nutty groupies (see Kim Jong Il, Ahmedinejad, Bin'Laden, and Westboro)

I guess my only major beef with free speech... just for the sake of innocent children... is public obscenity. People need to be aware of those who hear them.

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So is it really illegal for me to put up a nazi flag? Not that I would, mind you, but I don't see how it's anybody's business what I put up.