The walk out incident
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvKgj_EjUDw

...though I kind of regret the time lost watching it.

Well, it's nice that we get to hear both sides of the story.

"you don't have to agree with the war, I just get sent there. You don't have to agree with politics, the country just tells me what to do."

That's... basically agreeing with whatever you're told.

I think Ventura took the moral high-ground with the situation at large, and the man speaking used the fact that they were in a wake (at a bar????) to defend his own brainwashing.

Just what I think though.

hard to say unless you were there. both sides could be lying through their teeth.

Pot meet douchebag. Opie and antony are just lousy.

I heard the whole interview with this guy and feel like he's got a fairly level head. Yes, he could be lying, but after hearing him talk about his experiences as a sniper, he was actually much more realistic and humble about his experiences, abilities, and what has been written about him than someone who is just "brainwashed." If the story about Jessie is true, I don't believe he took the moral high-ground at all. In fact, I equate him with those baptist idiots who protest funerals....

... again, the truth in this matter is one that we will likely not know because we weren't there, but this guy sounded pretty low-key throughout the interview.

im not gonna defend the timing of jesse's words about the seals deserved to lose some members, but he does know that seals have killed innocent men, women and children....im not american, so i cant judge what is more american, to acknowgle it or ignore it.

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>> ^VoodooV:

hard to say unless you were there. both sides could be lying through their teeth.


that's what Louis CK says...everyone who wasn't there should just shut up. We ain't gonna though...STONE THEM BOTH TO DEATH!

>> ^artician:

"you don't have to agree with the war, I just get sent there. You don't have to agree with politics, the country just tells me what to do."
That's... basically agreeing with whatever you're told.
I think Ventura took the moral high-ground with the situation at large, and the man speaking used the fact that they were in a wake (at a bar????) to defend his own brainwashing.
Just what I think though.


There's a sort of...distance there...an argument can be made that you sign up to serve your country so your life is now ours collectively. In a democracy this doesn't sound like THAT bad of a thing, it's not like serving "The Crown" where a king gets to tell you where you will die. This is supposed to be a democratic sort of decision where we decide that we are threatened by a country or entity and the people who serve go and be the "point of the spear."

It's not really agreeing or disagreeing with any particular decision, it's putting the onus on others.

In Live at the Beacon (Louis CKs $5 special) Louis pointed out that a soldier is joining up to protect his country "he thinks." That to me makes perfect sense, and lets me hold respect for soldiers who are in a moral grey area at times especially in illegal wars. Of course we're not going to bring up obvious violations of human rights which have their own discussion.

The point is, I feel that the democracy fails the soldiers far more than the soldiers fail the democracy. We have a failed state, it doesn't work...so the direction that our speartip thrusts (not sexual) is definitely suspect. It's of course EVERYONES responsibility to take the country back and not allow our spear to commit human rights offenses In Our Names.

That's my boring opinion...anyone read it?

One further thing Chris Kyle was on the Bill O'Reilly show he told that story and then Bill mentioned something in the book...from the transcript.

O'REILLY: What struck me in the book, though, is that you considered the people you were killing, the Iraqis you were killing, quote, unquote, "savages."

KYLE: The people I was killing. Not just Iraqis.

O'REILLY: Why did you consider the enemy savages?

KYLE: From their actions. The way they lived day-to-day as far, as the violence they commit on American troops, the beheadings, the rape of innocent villagers and townspeople that they go into just to intimidate them. They live by putting fear into other people's hearts, and civilized people just don't act that way.

Yes civilized people don't act that way...so I guess neither side is civilized.