i think he meant the church is working with the people to develop their economies, infrastructure, education etc

also, only whites were allowed to hold the priest until 78 because before that LDS doctrine said that non whites had to turn white before they would be allowed into the celestial kingdom (highest level in mormon heaven)

Wait, you have to TURN WHITE? Are you saying that Michael Jackson is actually a mormon?
>> ^peggedbea:
also, only whites were allowed to hold the priest until 78 because before that LDS doctrine said that non whites had to turn white before they would be allowed into the celestial kingdom (highest level in mormon heaven)

Title is missing "misogyny," but that's probably outside the scope of this video - it's a Mormon custom that when the man of the house is away, the woman of the house is not allowed to let any male guests in her home, even if the guest is waiting for the man of the house to arrive. I learned of this custom from a girl I knew who was raised in a Mormon household.

Call it what you will - enforcing monogamy (which only applies to women - polygamy may be illegal, but still practiced by many Mormons) and preventing opportunity for adultery, whatever... I call that institutionalized misogyny and a symptom of deeply ingrained distrust of any kind of feminine power.

>> ^peggedbea:
i think he meant the church is working with the people to develop their economies, infrastructure, education etc


or handing out bibles and "developing" them into good little Mormons

>> ^kagenin:
Title is missing "misogyny," but that's probably outside the scope of this video - it's a Mormon custom that when the man of the house is away, the woman of the house is not allowed to let any male guests in her home, even if the guest is waiting for the man of the house to arrive. I learned of this custom from a girl I knew who was raised in a Mormon household.
Call it what you will - enforcing monogamy (which only applies to women - polygamy may be illegal, but still practiced by many Mormons) and preventing opportunity for adultery, whatever... I call that institutionalized misogyny and a symptom of deeply ingrained distrust of any kind of feminine power.


I was raised Mormon and neither heard of nor saw any such custom. In addition, the Mormon church used to but no longer practices Polygamy, those people that do are from a church that branched off of and separated from the Mormon church.

^i second that. also raised in a mormon family. never heard of that. and my mom is a good mormon woman who COMPLETELY RUNS THE HOUSEHOLD. i know many mormon feminists. many strong stable mormon marriages. the girl you dated might have just had an extrememly controlling father.

heres a story i think is cute. so my mom puts on shiney mormon face at church. but at home shes a total fucking ballbuster. and very much owns my stepdad. mormon women tend to play prudish at church and in life in general. she has spent her life trying to pretend she is also delicate and prudish. we all know she is a secret perv and a tough cow. but she would never ever dream about speaking of sex publicly or in front of her daughters. so relief society is the womens sunday school class. one day they were talking about how women cant hold the priesthood. so my mom mumbles under her breath, but still audibly, "pfft, i hold the priesthood every night".... some jaws dropped immediately, some took a few seconds, but shock, awe and horror filled the room that faithful sunday as 3 generations of pretend and legitimate prudes got to imagine my mother with her fist full of balls.

I've known plenty of good Mormons and Ex-Mormons, and I'm not trying to insult them with this. I'm just trying to urge them to ask some tough questions of their faith, and to decide whether or not they really want to be personally associated with a faith that has such a hard time getting along with others.

Beyond that, I'd also hope they eventually question all the laughably absurd Joseph Smith and the golden tablet backstory. When the foundation of an entire religion falls upon the words of one person, you have to be open to the possibility that that person was either out of his mind or full of shit. Just sayin'....

If Mormons weren't so eager to put the ugly side of their faith on display via national television, I probably wouldn't feel the need to criticize.

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
If Mormons weren't so eager to put the ugly side of their faith on display via national television, I probably wouldn't feel the need to criticize.


What are you talking about? The man being interviewed didn't go out of his way to say things for you to criticize. In fact, the things he said don't even seem negative to me. Seemed like the message was that it happened in the past and it was over now. What am I missing? What does this have to do with Prop 8 or NOM or hate anyway?

Every Mormon I knew growing up espoused the belief that the father is both the social and spiritual leader of the household.

The girl I learned of the custom I cited before didn't seem like she was lying to me, nor did she seem to see the inherent misogyny of the custom that I saw. Then again, she didn't use her college degree at all. It seems like after she finished school, she just started popping out kids. Broke my heart to see such a bright mind not see what I'd consider it's full potential, but I do hope she's enjoyed the life she has chosen.

While I don't doubt that feminism is alive and strong within the Church of LDS, and while I don't doubt that the official line from the church on Polygamy is "don't do it," I would have liked to have heard a stronger message denouncing the practices of the Fundamentalist branch that got so much attention last year in Texas. I felt the silence from the mainstream LDS church spoke volumes about what they really felt about the FLDS compound.

I also have a HUGE problem with missionary work. I equate it to a genocidal application of cultural imperialism. The aforementioned girl had a brother who was sent to Japan (their mother was half-Japanese, which I'm sure had no bearing on the Living Prophets who decided where he was to serve his church) for his missionary work... I'm bummed I haven't talked to him as much since he came back, as he was a very good friend of mine, and I enjoyed our debates on religion and society over games of Quake 3 and guitar jam sessions. He just isn't the same person back then, and I miss how much more open his mind was...

Maybe the Mormon churches here in California are more "extreme" than the rest of the country, or something, I dunno.

I still stand by my statements. All religion is worthy of ridicule and I feel that the act of questioning one's own beliefs is one of the "holiest" things a human can do.

>> ^Aemaeth:
>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
If Mormons weren't so eager to put the ugly side of their faith on display via national television, I probably wouldn't feel the need to criticize.

What are you talking about? The man being interviewed didn't go out of his way to say things for you to criticize. In fact, the things he said don't even seem negative to me. Seemed like the message was that it happened in the past and it was over now. What am I missing? What does this have to do with Prop 8 or NOM or hate anyway?


What you're missing is that it's not over. Mormons funded prop 8 and NOM.

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
>> ^Aemaeth:
>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
If Mormons weren't so eager to put the ugly side of their faith on display via national television, I probably wouldn't feel the need to criticize.

What are you talking about? The man being interviewed didn't go out of his way to say things for you to criticize. In fact, the things he said don't even seem negative to me. Seemed like the message was that it happened in the past and it was over now. What am I missing? What does this have to do with Prop 8 or NOM or hate anyway?

What you're missing is that it's not over. Mormons funded prop 8 and NOM.


So that makes any video about Mormons instantly about Prop 8 and NOM? I think you're falling under the fallacy of Ad Hominem Tu Quoque because you're trying to associate any video that tries to cast a negative light on Mormons as casting a negative light on NOM and Prop 8.

Look, Aemaeth, Mormon hate is Mormon hate, whether it's against blacks, women, Native Americans, gay people or whomever they target next. It is a religion founded upon elitism, arrogance, intolerance and the delusions of a madman. You've been lied to. The quicker you free yourself from that nonsense the better off you will be.

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