This needs to make it to the top 15. I can't really imagine how someone can watch this and not vote for it.

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Self promoting this video and sending it back into the queue for one more try; last queued Wednesday, June 24th, 2009 2:36pm PDT - promote requested by original submitter burdturgler.

I actually really like the people of Iran, but hate their government.

I would like to think that the rest of the world thinks the same of me, a U.S. citizen, and my government.
I would like to help them. I'm afraid that my government would send help in the form of 2000 pound bombs.

you need to do some research on the iran iraq war and our involvment. many governments and people of the world have many, real reasons to hate us and our government, WE ARE OUR GOVERNMENT. WE ARE THE SAME. WE ELECT OUR GOVERNMENT.

"Iran has executed its Tiananmen Square. Baharestan Square has become synonymous with barbarity, cruelty, massacre and inhumanity.

An Iranian blogger (whose URL I will not publish) live blogging from Baharestan Square in central Tehran today captures but brief glimpses of the unimaginable horror that took place today. Bus loads of protesters were stopped and unloaded from their buses by "black-clad police" and literally herded. When the massing was sufficient, as the barely controllably distraught Tehran caller to CNN described first hand, hundreds of the regime's Basij thugs poured out of an adjoining mosque and commenced a massacre with axes, clubs, guns and gas."

http://threatswatch.org/rapidrecon/2009/06/unimaginable-horror-in-tehran/

"Massacre at Baharestan Square in Iran
Protests continue in Iran today as thousands clashed with police – with one of the bloodiest confrontations happening in Baharestan Square. A newly posted youtube video of the clashes in the Teheran Square details the violence and utter chaos of the situation.

The video shows protesters carrying away a man, bloody from the torso up. It is unclear whether the man is alive. Another account of what many are referring to as the Baharestan square massacre appeared on CNN.

“All of a sudden some 500 people with clubs and woods they uh came out of [unintelligible] mosque and they pulled into the streets and they uh started beating everyone and they tried to beat everyone on [unintelligible] bridge and um throwing them off of the bridge. They beat a woman so savagely that uh, she was a drenched in blood. Her husband who was watching the scene he just fainted. At first people were brave that booed the security forces but they were beating people like Hell, this was a massacre.”

On Twitter, “Persiankiwi,” a regular poster who’s been documenting the protests since they began, says he has to remain on the run for fear of capture and torture. He says “in Baharestan we saw militia with axe chopping ppl like meat - blood everywhere - like butcher.”

http://www.fsrn.org/audio/headlines-wednesday-june-24-2009/4945

>> ^robdot:
you need to do some research on the iran iraq war and our involvment. many governments and people of the world have many, real reasons to hate us and our government, WE ARE OUR GOVERNMENT. WE ARE THE SAME. WE ELECT OUR GOVERNMENT.


You have no idea wtf is going on right now or what you are even talking about do you? They elected their government but their election was stolen from them. This has nothing to do with any past US involvement in Iran. These are innocent people who are being brutalized and butchered for peacefully demonstrating and protesting against the crimes their government has committed against them.

The more of them that get killed the more likely the people will overthrow the government if anny outside country gets involved then over time they will just become hated and just complicate the situation.

If USA try to "save the day" then what will happen is USA will do it in a fucked up crappy way that actually makes things worse.

Revolutions have to happen from within the country ore the people wont feal that it belongs to them.

In the end its all MOOT majority of Iranians are religious irrationals im sure thay are nice people but religion will have damaged there minds and made it harder for them to make rational constructive desisoins In the end a democracy is only as good as its population and well look At USA with its majority of religious people ironically the only thing stopping religion complety controlling everything in USA is capatalisum and in many respects that's just as oppressive and dirty as religion. also thankfully USA has a good number of intellectuals trying to fight of the shit.

BT, are you trying to tell us something else with that title? Is it that time of the month?



I think a colon and the word 'and' would go nicely instead of two periods.

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I don't know .. must've been thinking in telegraph mode. taptaptaptap tap tap ... Massacre in Iran STOP Protesters Beaten STOP ...

It's sad. I hope they have a revolution.

>> ^blankfist:
It's sad. I hope they have a revolution.

It's beyond sad. And I say hope all you want. The will is there, the real question is whether or not they'll continue to get the support, or whether or not something from within the government will go.

MJ dying is more important after all, can you scrape the cynicism off my post and bottle it for posterity now?

It's really hard not to think we should go in there and help when this poor, crying woman is begging us to. My heart is broken.
But man... *whew*... gotta see it maturely... what could we possibly do besides fuck it up and put everyone in even more danger?

I wonder the same. There is no half way.

That's hard to listen too

I don't want to be a douche but we kind of fucked things up with Iraq and no matter what we do the rest of the world will be like "America Fucked up again". Someone who said we fucked up should "show us how it's done" by going in and saving the Iranian people.

Oh and BTW I'm not justifying the war in Iraq, it was wrong. I'm just talking about the overthrowing of the government and all that shit. If someone thinks they can do better let them.

>> ^Darkhand:
That's hard to listen too
I don't want to be a douche but we kind of fucked things up with Iraq and no matter what we do the rest of the world will be like "America Fucked up again". Someone who said we fucked up should "show us how it's done" by going in and saving the Iranian people.
Oh and BTW I'm not justifying the war in Iraq, it was wrong. I'm just talking about the overthrowing of the government and all that shit. If someone thinks they can do better let them.



I agree completely. Hopefully France will save the day.
The world looks to France and prays.

They should get someone less frantic. Its not good form to put someone on the airwaves who is losing their shit.

Should of at least let her compose herself.

From what I could acertain seems like its ramping up. shit.

>> ^Raaagh:
They should get someone less frantic. Its not good form to put someone on the airwaves who is losing their shit.
Should of at least let her compose herself.
From what I could acertain seems like its ramping up. shit.


Seriously? It's a frantic witness on a cell phone. Journalists can't report. It's kind of hard to tell a witness off the street who just watched a group of people getting axed and thrown off a bridge to compose themselves for an interview. wtf

>> ^robdot:
you need to do some research on the iran iraq war and our involvment. many governments and people of the world have many, real reasons to hate us and our government, WE ARE OUR GOVERNMENT. WE ARE THE SAME. WE ELECT OUR GOVERNMENT.


Well said. We are, on average, our government. And if you disagree with what your government says and does, it's up to you to do something to change the average.

Unfortunately, if we hadn't ruined the idea of the US/UK as a peacekeeping force by going blindly into iraq in a quest for oil, we'd still have the ability/opportunity to walk into a middle eastern country and claim that we were doing it "for the people".

Hell, i'll even be cynical and say our governments probably wouldn't go into any country "for the people" anymore, britain especially has lost the credibility we had around the mid 1900's to stand up for international injustice. So maybe we wouldn't have done it anyway, but now we don't even have the choice.

It'd take a LOT more than this to push things to the point where the UK/US could go near to helping out with force. Especially with the leading parties in Iran free to go around saying "Nope, nothing to see here, this is Britain's fault, stop scaremongering. There's no riots and no unrest, just leave us alone."

The trouble is, i'm sure many are crying out for help in that country, i'm sure many would like THE RIGHT KIND of help. But they wouldn't trust us to give it. And worse still, they can't even ask us for it, because the leadership they're protesting against is controlling everything right now. It's gonna take a serious escalation before anyone can "try to help".