I won't vote for videos that insinuate he's guided by political leanings. He's crazy not right wing or left wing.

*crawls off soap box*

I didn't mean that he was guided by political leanings. In fact, the opposite. I thought his rants covered the gamut.

I see your point, though. I did name the teabaggers twice. If you took it that way, then it must be "takeable" that way. I will amend my description.



>> ^blankfist:

I won't vote for videos that insinuate he's guided by political leanings. He's crazy not right wing or left wing.
crawls off soap box

Americans obsession with 'freedom' increasingly makes prisoners of them all.

if he's not schizophrenic, it sure looks like it. And he's in the right age for schizophrenia to manifest itself.

I think it's pretty clear he got his opinions from a right wing blog.>> ^blankfist:

I won't vote for videos that insinuate he's guided by political leanings. He's crazy not right wing or left wing.
crawls off soap box

>> ^RedSky:

I think it's pretty clear he got his opinions from a right wing blog.


The only thing that sounds right wing is him talking about currency, probably. But how often do you hear right wingers complaining about violations to free speech? It's usually the other way around, no?

I think he was picking up all sorts of paranoid crap, wherever he could find it. All that genocide stuff, that isn't right wing.


>> ^RedSky:

I think it's pretty clear he got his opinions from a right wing blog.>> ^blankfist:
I won't vote for videos that insinuate he's guided by political leanings. He's crazy not right wing or left wing.
crawls off soap box

Well there's no doubt he's deranged, but when someone rants about about currency, government control and seems obsessed about constitutionality I find it difficult to see where else he got his views from.

Loughner was linked to a website called American Renaissance, which describes itself as such: "A conservative monthly publication. Promotes a variety of white racial positions."

He was clearly nuts, tho. If he hadn't carried out a political assassination, he would have probably found another excuse to act out his insanity.

Couldn't watch more than 1:21. Felt like I was trapped, viewing the world from his perspective.

Loughner was NOT linked to AR.

Turns out the DHS memo was fabricated and disseminated by FOX News.

See:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/01/dhs_has_not_determined_possibl.html
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47438.html

Please read Jared Taylor's rebuttal: http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2011/01/american_renais_16.php



>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

Loughner was linked to a website called American Renaissance, which describes itself as such: "A conservative monthly publication. Promotes a variety of white racial positions."
He was clearly nuts, tho. If he hadn't carried out a political assassination, he would have probably found another excuse to act out his insanity.

Where does it say the memo was fabricated? Or that he did not frequent the website?

When someone acts on their delusional construct, what use is it to apply logical causation to an illogical state? It's serving your own purpose, whether it be right/left politics. Mental illness is apolitical, it doesn't discriminate that way.

^In this circumstance it did discriminate, though. There is certainly no direct blame, as this guy acted of his own free will, but it is valid to question the merit of violent political speech and imagery in a country as violent as the United States, especially when it comes from a movement built upon fear and delusion. Whether or not this metaphorical violence played a role in this assassination plot is irrelevant to the larger issue.

^I miss the old days when liberals just blamed everything on Bush. Or "greed".

Corporate greed is still at the top of my list. I do probably spend too much time criticizing figureheads like Bush and Palin; empty vessels basically just following orders; successful in drawing fire away from corporate persons and their lobbyists. So, yeah...

<^In this circumstance it did discriminate, though.>
I don't see how indiscriminately firing at a line of people is discriminate. Do you mean it was discriminate because a democratic congresswoman was targeted? There is absolutely NO evidence that she was targeted because of her political party. If a meteor had hit her and killed her, it would have been just as discriminate, I suppose?

I guess I should have said "meteorite had hit her", got to be careful with phrasing.

On the other hand, if you mean it was discriminate because she was an elected official, then that's valid. I think individuals in any seat of authority are more at risk for targeting by a psychotic individual as they are often viewed in a delusional, paranoid state as being the "oppressor."

She was singled out and shot at. The fine details of the shooters motivation doesn't change the fact that this was a discriminate act. This was a deliberate, discriminant act of violence against a Jewish, female Democrat.

Since we're in a conspiratorial mood: assuming this apolitical mental defective was in reality a clever and sane actor, what was the motivation?

Sacrificing a non-vital politico and random civilians will garner sympathy for an ailing political party which just suffered major defeats.

Even with drive-by media complicity, this twisted version of events didn't take with a majority of the public, who sees only a lone, ill weirdo whose life is now over, whether he knows it or not.

Meanwhile, Righties in the House were provided an opportunity to shine and took it; new legislation was only delayed, not stopped.

As a conspiracy benefiting the left, this thing was and is a total flop.

http://www.truth-out.org/extremist-killing-is-american-apple-pie-murders-grow-far-right-four-decades-after-martin-luther-king

This article is what the "lefties" are talking about. Opening paragraphs:

The landscape of America is littered with bodies.

They've been gunned down in Tucson, shot to death at the Pentagon, and blown away at the Holocaust Museum, as well as in Wichita, Knoxville, Pittsburgh, Brockton, and Okaloosa County, Florida.

Total body count for these incidents: 19 dead, 26 wounded.

Not much, you might say, when taken in the context of about 30,000 gun-related deaths annually nationwide. As it happens, though, these murders over the past couple of years have some common threads. All involved white gunmen with ties to racist or right-wing groups or who harbored deep suspicions of "the government." Many involved the killing of police officers.

Are you paying attention at all, qm? There is no conspiracy and no question that this guy was a lone psycho. Still, the topic of violent political speech and imagery is a valid one, whether the media wants to acknowledge it or not. I know I'm breaking with a now culturally ingrained media narrative here, but I don't particularly care. At the very least, you could try to follow the conversation a little better.

I'm not claiming a conspiracy, just playing with the ideas. In any scenario, it's important to ask who has what to gain, is it not?

No one sane is for killing decent politicians to effect change. But tyrants? The potential for tyranny is quite real; our whole system was created with safeguards against it.

Both the Right and Left cherry-pick examples of how this administration and the last one are now just making things up as they go along with no Constitutional basis, either in the name of public safety or battling terrorism. Both, sad to say, have a valid points.

As for violent imagery/culture, unfortunately our society if not the world is saturated with such media. But usually the left--which runs Hollywood and produces most of the violent entertainment--assures the public violent games and films do not influence regular people. Can't have it both ways.

Assuming the "30,000" gun deaths in the US every year, those stats are padded with gang crimes. A 25-year-old gang vermin killed in a shootout is labeled a 'child'.

Firearms are used by law-abiding citizens over 2 MILLION times a year in self-defense, often with no shots being fired. The law-abiding should not be punished for the decidedly and thankfully rare acts of nutjobs.

Moving this video to bareboards2's personal queue. It failed to receive enough votes to get sifted up to the front page within 2 days.

His self musings, that are hysterical to him are quite a sign of derp.

If you want the audience to follow please give us the funny details (cause your jokes suck Loughner).