If Everything Needs a Beginning, So Does God

From show #415, September 25, 2005. Caller tries to dance around the question of root causes of the existence of god.
BicycleRepairMansays...

I find these hosts to be overly dismissing, but on the other hand I do understand their position, they are being attacked by people who are amazingly ignorant and silly, i personally would have tried to respond by starting to explain evolution to this guy, but there wouldnt be enough time I guess, so I'd end up with the same stalemate.. I guess what I'm saying is that hey are basically right, but since the caller is ignorant, and because they've heard that ignorance so many times, they end up arguing simplisticly

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The one question I'm sorta screaming at the screen is "Where does complexity come from?" we start out as complex, thinking individuals and work our way back, what we find , is that as a matter of FACT, we are the result of 3.5 billion years of increasing complexity, before that, our planet is a result of an expanding universe that started as extremely hot and dense energy that cooled of and expanded for 10 billion years, when we look at cosmology, the uniiverse gets simpler, smaller and hotter for every second of that time. It takes some mind-bending physics to explain beyond that, but at no point in that process there seems to be a good time to start with an all-powerful COMPLEX intelligent agent. Compexity and intelligence are LATE arrivals in our universe

11896says...

So the host admits that the origin of the super-dense concentration of matter is "unknown at this time." To me that doesn't sound like a position from which he can be so dismissive of the caller.

shuacsays...

^ You shouldn't solve a mystery (the origin of the universe) with another mystery (by golly, god must have done it). That's just plain ol' sloppy thinking.

I've heard so many times from the religious that "science claims to know everything" and the very second we correct them by claiming ignorance on a few key items, right away, they think that gives their creationist position credence.

See, we're quite comfortable not knowing everything about the universe right this very second. The only faith I have is in the scientific process, a process that has proven religious dogma wrong OVER AND OVER. Give us enough time and we'll figure some new things out. I guaran-god-damn-tee it.

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