When did this air ?

Same stories we have heard before and have known about. Nothing new. The only difference is that in a true Democracy something would be done about it. When you live in a Plutocratic Kleptocracy, nothing will be done about it.

You would think this kind of news would be HUGE!!... I mean, a U.S. President committing war crimes!!!!!... This should be on every news channel, on the cover of papers and magazines...nah.... hey, did you see 'Dancing With The Stars' last night?

Didn't I just read that Bush is now immune of any war crimes going back to 9/11? So what difference does it make? I wouldn't be surprised if he gets kidnapped or killed after his Secret Service protection runs out. Of course, he's got enough money stashed away from his Haliburton deals that he and Cheney will be able to hire security until the Earth spins out of orbit, thus putting more innocent people in harm's way. Fuck Bush. Fuck him up his stupid ass.

Bush is always next to the asshole Cheney...that joke hasn't been done before...

Under what body of laws are these enemy combatants protected?

If they're not enemy soldiers under a national flag, do they deserve protection under the Geneva Conventions?

If they can do this to them whats to say they dont call you or me an enemy combatant?

Half of these guys are probably innocent, the ones that are not are in the high sec part of the prison.

Come out with it then, do you think that its ok to kill more innocent people with cruise missiles in the name of a holy war of money?

The FBI gets more useful information out of suspects by coercive interrogation and not torturing them. Torture and imprisonment only brings you bad intel and gets more soldiers killed.

Furthermore, remember WWII and the internment camps? This is no different.

We complain about human rights for our POWs yet we do this? Complete and utter bullshit.

You and I and possibly event the government can prove that they are enemy combatants, with out manufacture of evidence.

"Through fighting terrorism we have in ourselves become terrorists."

In reply to this comment by quantumushroom:
Under what body of laws are these enemy combatants protected?

If they're not enemy soldiers under a national flag, do they deserve protection under the Geneva Conventions?

If they can do this to them whats to say they dont call you or me an enemy combatant?

As a citizen of the United States, I have the right to due process. Remember John Walker Lindh? A POS once-American citizen caught fighting for the Taliban. He still got a trial and sentence, and unfortunately that sentence was not death.

Enemy soldiers have certain rights under the Geneva Conventions, including being exchanged with our captured soldiers. We can't exchange our soldiers for ragheads cowering in caves who represent no nation. IMAO this enemy forfeited their rights to humane treatment long ago.

Half of these guys are probably innocent, the ones that are not are in the high sec part of the prison.

Unlikely.

Come out with it then, do you think that its ok to kill more innocent people with cruise missiles in the name of a holy war or money?

If our goal was to kill noncombatants, we could level Iraq almost overnight. The truth of the matter is the Iraqi people are grateful we got rid of Saddam and are grateful we're there, despite the presence of insurgents (now minus 20,000 of them) and their intrepid mainstream media propaganda wing in the USA.

Without the support of the Iraqi people, we couldn't stay there to complete the mission.

The FBI gets more useful information out of suspects by coercive interrogation and not torturing them. Torture and imprisonment only brings you bad intel and gets more soldiers killed.

I've heard of both methods tried...I'm happy with whatever works. I tend to agree torture is generally a waste of time for intel, but if there are cases when it's worked, here are the jumper cables.

Furthermore, remember WWII and the internment camps? This is no different.

The Japanese-Americans? Imprisoned illegally by a DEMOCRAT president, however I don't think it's fair to judge a rightfully xenophobic America in the midst of a war for its survival. Though in poor living conditions, the Japanese-American prisoners were not tortured or killed. And, as they were citizens, they eventually got their day in court and were paid reparations.

You and I and possibly event the government can prove that they are enemy combatants, with out manufacture of evidence.

At least some of these combatants were directly caught on the battlefield, attacking US troops and Iraqi civilians. I suspect there'll be plenty of evidence.

"Through fighting terrorism we have in ourselves become terrorists."

Sorry, I disagree. And freedom is not free.

Even if the Geneva Convention does not apply the universal decleration of human rights does. Read up on that one if you are in doubts.

>> ^quantumushroom:

At least some of these combatants were directly caught on the battlefield, attacking US troops and Iraqi civilians. I suspect there'll be plenty of evidence.


You suspect????

The "battlefield" you are talking about used to be a sovereign nation and had nothing to do with 9/11. Under which part of international law are you claiming moral superiority?

>> ^honkeytonk73:
The only difference is that in a true Democracy something would be done about it.


actually if this was a true democracy we the people would get to vote on what happens to them.. luckily we sort of live in a republic and there are laws that as a population we cant abolish. in other words if the US was a true democracy you could get stupid things like 80% are Christian and they could vote to make it illegal to be atheist they have the majority luckily we have the constitution which protects us from our selfs thus its a republic.

QM if we are the good guys we should lead by example. the gorillas in Iraq could capture mercenaries and torture them and use your logic. mercenaries dont represent a country they represent corporations (yes highered by a country but not part of the national armed forces) and they are not solders.. so its ok with you if American mercenaries get tortured for info right? calling them "enemy combatants" is just a loop hole, you dont torture people.