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enochi usually like this dudes videos but this is a pretty bad representation of the "free will "theosophy.
way too over-simplified.
messengerIt's not attempting to explain free will. It's just wresting with the inconsistent way free will is bandied about as an excuse for Yahweh's own inconsistencies in terms of whom he chooses to help and whom not.
messengerYahweh can't respect "free will" while answering prayers.
Yahweh can't respect "free will" while killing thousands, like in Exodus, for example.
Yahweh can't respect "free will" while knocking people off horses and altering their brains to suddenly be good people, like Saul --> Paul.
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enochah.you mean incurious fundamentalists.
gotcha.
well in that light this video is superb!
It's not attempting to explain free will. It's just wresting with the inconsistent way free will is bandied about as an excuse for Yahweh's own inconsistencies in terms of whom he chooses to help and whom not.
messengerFWIW, it actually does misrepresent free will in the sense that a rapist is taking away a woman's free will. That's not the case. At all times in any person's life, no matter the circumstances, unless Yahweh is directly interfering.
ah.you mean incurious fundamentalists.
gotcha.
well in that light this video is superb!
enochagreed.
and its the fundamental flaw i find is ecclestiastical theosophy.
externalization.
that somehow through suffering we find grace.
absolution through redemption.
but in BOTH cases it is the externalization of god that intervenes.
which can be interpreted (and often is) that if their is suffering it is gods will.
which i find extremely paradoxical because then that negates free will at all.
VoodooVfrom our perspective, yes we have free will.
But if there really is a creator out there that knows all sees all, can do all. Then free will is a lie. If it doesn't matter what I choose, this creator would know what I'm going to pick, then unless the creator is cheating and merely peeking into the future to find out what I say before hand, then free will doesn't exist. and can't be used as an excuse for creationists for why it's OK that a creator...created such a messed up system and punishes people infinitely for finite crimes.
It's like an RND generator in a computer. They aren't really random,
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