What?? You mean ol' Queen Bea is a team player???

Wonder how she got so shitty?? Nazi's perhaps??

"Ik zal handhaven!", she said..Prince Willem, heir to the throne??? He's the antichrist.

Our Queen Bea is one of the main players in the Bilderberg Conferences. She's phenomenally wealthy, and has a lot of power, just not directly through her royal title. Willem is just her douche-son. Marrying dictator-daughters, having nazi-father and in-laws. At least we make our royalties shut up politically, which sadly means they have to exert their power behind the scenes. But then again all the in-bred royal families in Europe are evil. (I'm on a roll here, but I'm just scared shitless by you Americans losing every mentionable freedom, and I see the same shit happening here!)

Gotta love how fox news ends the segment with the assumption that Holland will legalize a "suicide pill"

"Talked about in the news" - he said.. yeah. Fox News.

The only article I could find mentioning a "suicide pill" was from a 2002 BBC article.

Oh we talked about the suicide pill, some time ago (before 2000, not sure when). It was quite interesting, and i think it might be a good idea, i'm even increasingly thinking people should have the option to say farewell to this imminent decline. And anything should be open for discussion, anything.
What i am more offended about is that he equates euthanasia with infanticide. Like we kill kids for the heck of it. We only kill kids who have no other prospect than a short life of intense suffering. I call that humane, and this douchebag wants to see them suffering just cause he 'respects' life. That's what really got to me.

humane......yes, one may consider eugenics thus....perhaps the Netherworld has already eaten her suicide pill......course, like you mentioned, every country nowadays seems to have their own version....

Well we are preventing them from suffering, not from procreating (though the effect might be the same). When i say short i don't mean 20 years, i mean more like 5. I see that the eugenics argument is based on the argument that other people decide who lives or dies, but there are ways to measure suffering that do not require written consent. If you can prevent endless suffering by ending a life, i say go for it.

They forget to mention that it's the whackjob right wing in America who wants to combine politics and religion. You know, the same assholes who called Democrats "traitors" because they wouldn't vote for Bush in 2004.

I'm curious, though: in what ways is your country becoming more and more like America?

They forget to mention that it's the whackjob left wing in America who wants to combine politics and eco-religion. You know, the same assholes who called Republicans "traitors" because they wouldn't vote to destroy the economy over a phony "man-made" global warming scare.

FUCK FOX!!!!!!!

Gotta love Holland. Eventually it'll implode in a spectacular state of anarchy. At least the gay drug-addicted prostitutes won't feel much when it happens-they'll be too strung out.

I feel really sorry for people who buy into this shit.

I wonder if that Fux news anchor has ever put a beloved pet to sleep?

"...eco-religion...."

You make my point perfectly.

Don't worry, Amsterdam was a thriving mecca of radical Free thinkers long before the US ever existed, and will continue to be so long after the US fizzles out.

I'm not so sure. We are pretty much like England America's lapdog. Though maybe lapmouse is a better word. More and more we model our government,economy and justice-system on the American. We fight their wars, and we hand over 'suspects'. Our economy relies in a big way on them, and when America collapses under its debt, it will drag us down with it. The coming police state is also visible here, with implementations of id-systems, and the requirement to always wear your passport. Everything gets privatised, and it won't be long before we start enforcing drug laws. The murder of Theo van Gogh was also a blow to our multi-cultural tolerance. I'm telling you, I may be a little pessimistic, but we will be America in 5-10 years.

Yeah!! Fuck Nederland and their rational, tolerant, pragmatic, non-superstitious, fun loving ways!! Fuck them right in the ear!

I'm sorry to be skeptical, but what evidence do you have that our economy will "collapse under its debt?" Also, didn't the murder of Theo van Gogh serve to show you that you didn't have quite the level of multi-cultural tolerance you thought you did?

In other words, I'm wondering why you think that particular murder was a **cause** of declining tolerance, rather than the **result** of declining tolerance?

I hope I'm not coming off as confrontational here. I'm just trying to understand your perspective, and learn a bit more about the Netherlands.

I have no evidence that it's economy will bring America down, just a strong suspicion. The amount of debt America has is overwhelming, and it keeps getting larger and larger.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt and its sources.
And about van Gogh, he was killed by one insane muslim with a death wish. He had a low tolerance, not our society. After this mosques were burnt, the media started using muslim as a four-letter-word, and everyone was afraid to say anything (unless they were politician). I am not saying this all started after the murder, it was going on before, but as you well know with 9/11, a national scare doesn't bring out the best in people.

Any EU country right now is a better place to live than the US. Fucking idiots.

And about van Gogh, he was killed by one insane muslim with a death wish.

If only that was true. Why was he "insane"?, why the death wish? Was it because he was schizophrenic? Beaten as a child?, Depressed? No. He had been reading a book that claims its the most perfect, inerroneous, FINAL word of God Himself, and that anyone who says otherwise deserve death and his killer deserve paradise. This deranged work of fantasy is protected by the faithful and the naive all the time, hailed as good influence on people and society, and granted tax-deductibility instead of the prison sentences that are due for brainwashing of children.

If FoxNews false claims about the Netherlands lack of religious tolerance was true, I'd move there in an instant.

"...over a phony "man-made" global warming scare." youre not really that dumb, are you?

" He had been reading a book that claims its the most perfect, inerroneous, FINAL word of God Himself, and that anyone who says otherwise deserve death and his killer deserve paradise. " Well I'm certainly no faith-hugger, but millions of other people also read that book, and didnt do what he did, so I would like to exclude that as the main reason. A part of freedom of speech is definitely to read religious books and say religious words. I don't why he is crazy, but I'm sure it's not a book. And crazy he is, because that's what I call people killing other people for other reasons than direct self-defense. (That means you too soldiers) Getting religion into this argument is just looking for scapegoats. This man is insane.

but millions of other people also read that book, and didnt do what he did, so I would like to exclude that as the main reason.

Then all that remains is to find another reason. It is true that most muslims are not psychopaths, thats for damn sure, but the way I see it, no credit is due to Islam, the Quran or Muhammad for that. The reason most people dont behave at all the way these delusional fantasies says you should behave, is that on some level, reason kicks in with most people. Morals are innate. We have them genetically, and society shapes them and we cant help to think for ourselves from time to time, apologies due to Muhammad on that last one.

Again, if Islam is your ONLY influence, if it has indeed infected every part of society, top to bottom, you are in effect living in a Taliban-state, and everybody behaves more or less like this lunatic. The state itself, by LAW, can execute people like Theo Van Gogh for insulting the prophet, or god, or "faith" or who the fuck knows.

This persons probably only influence, was the Quran-fantasies, that was probably the only reality he knew, the only place he got his morals and his views about the world, he probably intentionally shut out all other communication with the real world, when we ask ourselves, "where could he possibly have gotten the idea that this was smart?", the answer is obvious: Thats exactly how the Quran wants you to behave, like a submissive, braindead amoeba in Gods hands. Again, people do not generally behave that way, but thats not the fault of the Quran, everything else is to blame for good behavior. Credit where its due. The Quran can only be blamed for the kind of behavior it endorses and promotes.

Lastly, Those same millions of other people are not so much outraged or pissed either when some infidel apostate gets a bullet between the eyes, or when a suicide bomber kills children in the "Name of the Prophet". But when some englishman writes a book, or a couple of Danes draws some cartoons, its riots in the streets, death sentences by proxy and without trial, imams and other charlatans condemning the "hideous acts" left and right, and of course the always so charming Christians who apologize that some faithful loon got offended.

Now that I've watched it for a second time, I kinda like this report. Think about it, it will keep all the state & church combining, fox news watching, bush voting, fanatic catholics out of europe! thank you very much fox! greatly appreciated!

" Lastly, Those same millions of other people are not so much outraged or pissed either when some infidel apostate gets a bullet between the eyes, or when a suicide bomber kills children in the "Name of the Prophet"."
That is just unfair, and untrue. Just like with other faiths and ideologies, there are people who believe in the god, but not in the literal texts. There are calls for violence in the Quran, just like in the bible, just like in many other 'sacred' texts. This doesn't mean that you can just call anyone who believes in it an accomplice. Just like with 9/11 and with van Gogh, as with the embassy-burning, there were some people who were for it, some people who were neutral about it, and people who were against it. All of them from the same faith. I think it is offensive if you just pile them all onto the guilty-pile. The are a lot of muslims who don't belive in violence, as there are a lot of people from other faiths or ideologies who do. This lack of ability or willingness to distinguish between them and just take some lable to damn them all is a very scary human trait. And we should all try to identify it within ourselves and reason against it.

It's the thing fox is good at, don't follow their lead.

" Any EU country right now is a better place to live than the US."

Where do you live then? To say something like that, you must live in Jersey or possibly Benton Harbor. Either way I'm sorry.

Most of it is right (if you disregard the Fox biased view on it), but we do not have marriages between more than 2 people (even the Dutch would consider that an outrage) and that' not our Parliament that is shown.

"And about van Gogh, he was killed by one insane muslim with a death wish. He had a low tolerance, not our society."

I thought part of the reason the reaction was so strong (mosque burnings and the like) was because of the widespread perception that there was NOT just one guy doing this. There was one guy who happened to be lucky enough to pull off the murder, sure. But isn't there an active, vocal, and dangerous minority of extremist Muslims in the Netherlands who would've been happy to do the same thing if only they had gotten there first? I mean, Ayaan Hirsi Ali didn't have to leave your country because of one or two crazy folks. There's a whole community of people in Western Europe that want her--and anyone like her--murdered. Moreover, the reporting in papers here on the Dutch reaction to the killing was usually framed in terms of "They think enough is enough!" rather than "They feel they have to nip this in the bud."

Now, maybe that widespread perception--if it even exists--is mistaken. In that case, though, you have to do the tough job of explaining why so many tolerant people came to have such an intolerant and mistaken view of the situation. (DISCLAIMER: even if this widespread perception weren't mistaken, that wouldn't justify the anti-muslim backlash).

Or, maybe all our journalism is as bad as Fox News (or I've misread it). But you seem to think your country becoming more like the U.S. is some drastic, catastrophic change for the worse. If I understand you correctly, you feel it represents the birth of a culture of intolerance. In my estimation, however, you didn't have far to go in that regard in the first place. From the outside, it seems like you've spent the last 20 years IMPORTING intolerance (and not from America, either).

Our transformation into America is not one towards intolerance, its about short-sightedness, the changing of its inhabitants into fearfull consumers, and the increasing bias of the media.
Ayaan moved out of the Netherlands because she lied about her entrance to Holland, and so her political career and credibility was over. She is now exploiting her threats by posing as a heroine in America. Check her backstory.
There is mention of the Hofstad-group, of which Bouyeri (the killer) was a part. But to equate this with a large terrorist-network is like calling the trenchcoat maffia a threat to America.
Basically all our media is owned by the same people who own fox news. So i wouldnt take them too seriously, especially the feed they give the USA and UK.

cheshirepuss i agree with your first comment 100 %.

I'm an American who moved to a suburb of Amsterdam right around the time of the Theo van Gogh murder. My wife is Dutch, I'm getting to be pretty good at the language. Most Sundays, you'll find us in church--and the church will be packed. Our daughter's best (Dutch) friend is Roman Catholic; it was a big deal when she invited my daughter to her confirmation. Most of my friends are secular, and I think that one difference with the US is that atheists are pretty open about their views--sometimes to the point of being rude, but, then again, being blunt to the point of rudeness is a trait for which the Dutch are famous in general.

Dealing with the diversity of religious belief in the Netherlands is a difficult and interesting subject. The problem with this report is that it's overly simplistic and based on extremely superficial reporting--who on earth is this reporter to make such sweeping statements about this country? He obviously didn't talk to very many people, and he also obviously didn't step outside central Amsterdam, unless it was to go to The Hague for a location shot. The fact that they showed a building as the parliament when it wasn't is telling--how seriously would you take a foreign report on the U.S. if they put up a shot of the National Archives and said it was the Capitol?

Take the good old days that the reporter talks about when church attendance was 95%. Among Catholics, yes. Then there were the Protestants, who have historically held the wealth and the power and historically wanted nothing to do with the Catholics. And there was a secular (mainly socialist) bloc (not to mention the Jews). The entire society was segregated. You didn't just go to a Catholic (or Protestant or no) church; you belonged to a Catholic (or Protestant or secular) social club, your kids went to a Catholic (or Protestant or secular) school, you voted for a Catholic (or Protestant or secular) party, etc. Dutch tolerance meant that the different groups didn't try to kill each other; it didn't mean they had to like each other or even interact with other beyond what was absolutely necessary.

That doesn't mean that the more fluid society of today is better, but the story is much more complex than this report makes it sound. What worries me is that Fox News is doing so well in the ratings. If that many people are watching, some of them must believe this nonsense.

The report is quite accurate except for 2 things. Marriage of more than 2 people is unheard of and will not happen. The suicide pill is something Foxnews speculates about, but I live in the Netherlands and I've never heard any discussion about it and I strongly believe it will ever be allowed.

I'm quite proud of my country and this short documentary aptly lists the reasons why.

*1sttube
*terrible
*wtf
*religion
*lies

Adding video to channels (1sttube, Lies, Religion, Terrible, Wtf) - requested by EDD.