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Derren Brown: Messiah

Shown on 7 January 2005, Derren Brown traveled to the United States to try to convince five leading figures that he had powers in their particular field of expertise: Christian evangelism, alien abduction, psychic powers, New Age theories and contacting the dead.
smileysays...

hahahaha... exelent video! Watched 3 og the 5 now, and its great! LOL!
It's just a great video of how "beliving" can fool your mind to belive in something greater than yourself. Ahould be called "The secret security holes of the human mind! +1!

Memoraresays...

Brilliant execution.
The key point "No one questioned whether it was real or not."
No one questions.
In politics, in religion, in advertising, in school, at work, no one questions.

I agree, but in taking his advice i must question whether when he says "nothing you see was set up or staged beforehand" i have to question that. I think he probably did pull it off just as shown, but still, if i met him in person, that's the question i'd ask, was it staged?

pragmaticksays...

I wonder why you wrote his name right twice but wrong in the title.
Haven't seen this one yet, but his show on SciFi is amazing. Some things he does are really unbelievable and if they are real, they are plain creepy.

BrknPhoenixsays...

I wrote his name right twice but wrong in the title because he spells it weird and regardless of knowing whetever it is, my brain always says "Da" when spelling it. I've spelled his name wrong more times than I've spelled it right. Anyway, I'll fix it.

persephonesays...

It is valuable to question our beliefs. That usually comes about for most people when life throws stuff at them which renders certain beliefs outmoded.

It's an evolving process and everyone's at different stages. The tooth fairy may suit a 6 year old, but probably not a 10 year old. "The world is an ugly shithole" may be a belief that suits the person full of self-hate and fear, but not the person who's feeling the joy of being alive.

He makes the point that people never ask him "Is it a trick?" Aside from the very paranoid, most people take others at face value and accept that they're telling the truth and it's not like, say the medical profession, where you would need to ask to see one's qualifications, before you'd let them practise on you.

People need to feel connected, either with each other or something greater. The girl obviously wanted to connect with her family members somehow. I doubt from her conversion experience she's going to turn around and join any of her family member's religions, but it was comforting for her to admit that she could relate to the 'warm hug' of her grandmother.

He was very pushy when he questioned the group "Do you believe in God?". In group settings, where there's someone leading
others in such a persuasive way, it is common for them to be highly suggestible. Everyone has issues that affect their lives in a negative way. The promise of being able to heal these issues, by connecting with others, being a part of a community or support group can be very attractive, especially for the vulnerable.

There's nothing astounding about what he achieves with these people and I would suggest that aside from his initial endorsement, which admittedly came pretty easily,(again, we're not talking about the AMA 'tho, are we?) he would not be able to maintain his standing within those communities for too long, by faking it.

Just look at all the ministers who've come undone somehow or other, within mainstream and alternative religious communities.

The ministers aren't the enemy either. Everyone wants to feel needed, important, special. They wouldn't be the first to abuse positions of power to get these needs met.



Krazsays...

I've got to say I find this guy fascinating. I understand that it's the power of subtle and precise suggestion - but what are the mechanics involved?

I'd also like to point out that believing in the existence of God does not really denote a conversion to Christianity... (By Christianity's own standards: James 2:19)
While the dramatic change in opinion was impressive - it still seemed far from bullet-proof. This one was a bit disappointing to me!

I did find the other displays perplexing though.

Baquetasays...

BrknPhoenix: I'm have a big geek-on for Derren Brown, so I have to correct you on the NLP thing. Although he acknowledges that there are some good general concepts in NLP, which he makes use of now and then, Derren knocks it in his book for being too rigid in its application of those concepts (as well as massively overstating its own effectiveness).

Some of the main techniques you'll see in this show are cold-reading, reading (and sending) body language, and hypnotism. However, over and above all of these is the art of showmanship. You'd be amazed how much of this stuff works purely through getting the people involved to believe it will work...

Baquetasays...

Kraz: I think you're confusing what he's trying to get accredited for with what he actually claims to be doing. In the bit you refer to he's trying to get accredited by an evangelist minister, not actually convert people to Christianity. The point is not whether he has these powers, but that it's far too easy to get a figure of supposed "authority" to say that he has these powers.

Oh, and I wish more "Christians" would make the distinction you did. I've talked to a lot of people who say they are Christian, but just believe in "some higher power" rather than the Christian God.

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