Countdown with Oblermann: Special Comment on Torture (Nov 5)

This is pretty blistering, and it's one hell of a rant. I can't wait to hear Fox news spitting about this. Oblermann says that many of the acts of the Bush administration are understandable in the light of trying to avoid jail time for the president and his inner circle.

Anyway, Part 2 is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V65FZiJu6w
siftbotsays...

Tags for this video have been changed from 'Waterboarding, criminal administration, rant' to 'Waterboarding, criminal administration, rant, Torture, Keith Olbermann' - edited by Fedquip

oxdottirsays...

Well, outside of the ethical issues with torture and the international laws against it that we are signatories to, there is the well-documented fact that torture doesn't work: people will say or do anything under torture, including making things up wildly. And then there is the fact that we don't seem to be talking about torturing people convicted of anything: we have quite a recent trackrecord of being willing to incarcerate people who were later exonerated: torturing innocent people is something history has a lot of, but it isn't something I want my government to be doing (but then, I don't want my government to be torturing even guilty people).

There are indeed interrogation techniques to raise the probability of protecting American lives, but torture isn't among those techniques.

Oh, and "Keef"'s ratings are going up lately: to the detriment of his ideologically apposite.

sometimessays...

I have never seen a movie where the "good guy" tortures anyone. the closest we get is the gritty anti-hero, like Marv in Sin City. is that what america has become? no longer the "good guy"? no longer the beacon of democracy, goodness, and liberty? But instead we are now the grim anti-hero who makes his own rules, hurts and kills whoever gets in the way of his self-righteous mission?

is that the current state of our national character?

dagsays...

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag.(show it anyway)

^ The national delusion of the US is that it is (or should be) "the good guy".

The United States government is neither good nor bad - just another political organ in the world that needs to be kept accountable by its people without black and white simplification.

I think the French do a much better job at democracy. The government there truly fears the people, as it should.

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