Yeah, there is a lot of irony as he points out that we have freedom of speech as they drag people out of there. Um, I think those security guards are dragging the wrong people off. They out to take Bush into custody instead.

'Now, now folks. We all has the rights to free enspeechification.'

Except that there's a difference between speaking your thoughts and being a disturbance. One is repectable and one makes you an ass.

>> ^MarineGunrock:
Except that there's a difference between speaking your thoughts and being a disturbance. One is repectable and one makes you an ass.


Of course, whether they judge you as a "disturbance" or not usually depends on what you're saying, not just the manner in which it is said. Freedom of speech only exists for those who own the press or the venue of the meeting. You're free to say whatever you want in the privacy of your own home.

>> ^jwray:
>> ^MarineGunrock:
Except that there's a difference between speaking your thoughts and being a disturbance. One is repectable and one makes you an ass.

Of course, whether they judge you as a "disturbance" or not usually depends on what you're saying, not just the manner in which it is said. Freedom of speech only exists for those who own the press or the venue of the meeting. You're free to say whatever you want in the privacy of your own home.


THIS.

THIS.

This incomplete sentence does not compute.

When I worked protection, any one who yelled or made any aggressive action against any one was immediately escorted out of crowd sight.Now when we took them away, we just took them to a quiet spot to get them cool down.

Like a bouncer who escorts a non violent drunk to a cab. I never once put a hand on any one.
Putting a hand on a private citizen is not a security problem. The real purpose of protection is to get the subject in and out, and if things get out of hand you get them the hell out.

Most of the time when a cop takes some one like that away it's because they have superiors there and they have to follow the orders, but they should not make an ass out of themselves.

I would suggest to all of you dissenters out there to make well designed signs, and sing a song. Do not yell out any thing. Because Songs usually make the crowd you are with sing along, and they cant stop a crowd, that is together.

I really dislike Bush and am disgusted that he understood American psychology well enough to say the words that most Americans wanted to hear and that he was able to lead our country into the invasion of Iraq (not a war, an invasion.)

Having said that, he does have his point of view, much as I hate it.

Switch it around. Imagine Obama or Ron Paul on the podium and some right winger disrupts his speech. I imagine you would be glad to have that person escorted out.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom to disrupt.

I could care less, personally. My voters card says I'm a republican, but the last time they called to ask what I thought of the Border fence in Arizona, I told them to "Never Ever Call me again, you assholes", and no I think your fence is not going to stop any one except me when my football goes over it.

All this leads up to how I could care less about liberals conservatives religion and any thing that has to do with the political government.

>> ^bareboards:
I really dislike Bush and am disgusted that he understood American psychology well enough to say the words that most Americans wanted to hear and that he was able to lead our country into the invasion of Iraq (not a war, an invasion.)
Having said that, he does have his point of view, much as I hate it.
Switch it around. Imagine Obama or Ron Paul on the podium and some right winger disrupts his speech. I imagine you would be glad to have that person escorted out.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom to disrupt.

By all accounts, Bush and his administration of incompetence and cronyism should be impeached for violating their legal, moral and representative duty; and note, this is coming from someone who well and truly understands the political impracticality of such an action, and why unless push comes to shove this will never come to pass.

In light of this failure of legal due process, and in light of the fact the media has time and time again being shown to be either controlled or at the very least influenced to a varying degree by top executives, corporate financiers, and the government; all the while being hemmed into reporting mainstream opinion in the fear that viewers, confronted by opinions too radical and progressive for them to be willing to cognitively process or too complex to be sufficiently elaborated on between commercial breaks, will forsake them for another news organization that merely reinforced their bigoted and one-sided views filtered through a sieve of anaesthetising political correctness - as a result encroaching on their precious ratings, market share and advertising revenue.

Given this, I am very much beyond the idealistic notion of propriety in expressing opinions. As garish, frankly immature it comes off, and as much as it may ultimately damage their cause and credulity, if getting simplistic sound bites of emphatic disapproval across for split seconds on network television, the unfortunate major source of information of this age is one of the few ways you can get the honest goddamn truth across, than so be it.

>> ^NordlichReiter:
I could care less, personally. My voters card says I'm a republican, but the last time they called to ask what I thought of the Border fence in Arizona, I told them to "Never Ever Call me again, you assholes", and no I think your fence is not going to stop any one except me when my football goes over it.
All this leads up to how I could care less about liberals conservatives religion and any thing that has to do with the political government.
>> ^bareboards:
I really dislike Bush and am disgusted that he understood American psychology well enough to say the words that most Americans wanted to hear and that he was able to lead our country into the invasion of Iraq (not a war, an invasion.)
Having said that, he does have his point of view, much as I hate it.
Switch it around. Imagine Obama or Ron Paul on the podium and some right winger disrupts his speech. I imagine you would be glad to have that person escorted out.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom to disrupt.



So you do care, to some degree, about both?

Buck Fush.

ahahaha ^amen. its just that simple

After what Bush has done, i think we can safely say he's given up his right to an uninterrupted meeting.

Fuck him quoting the ideals of the founding fathers.

The only american thing that can happen here is Bush gets hounded off every stage in the land until he has to resign due to an upcoming trial for crimes against humanity.

Oh, you don't think he's guilty? You don't think dropping bombs on a country that hasn't attacked you, killing civilians (not military targets) with your opening shots, and then invading with ground troops and taking over the oil ministry... you don't think that's the TEXTBOOK DEFINITION OF WAR CRIMES? That's not ENOUGH for you?

Fuck you if you stand up for Bush's "right" to speak uninterrupted. He's had his fucking chance. Being a babykiller SHOULD get you hounded off the fucking stage.

UGH. now i need a shower.

Now if we could just get you lemmings fired up about Obama's aiding and abetting the assholes who still require world domination, submission, pep-rallyism, and wage-slavery as part of the agenda-seen in Obama as some eloquent savior-The yes-man you children are about to cast your lots to is simply another tool of a fractured and dying cabal-Linear, is not the manner in which the cosmos conducts her affairs.....there are no straight lines-Obama needs to snort another one off his wife's tummy.....oh, and Bush?-He needs to be there slapping that fine Chicago ass while they play.....

^ somebody needs to take their meds.

^ ^ So then there is no solution. And no solution IS the solution. And the way to live in harmony with the cosmos is to turn on, tune in, drop out. Two hands clap and there is a sound; what is the sound of one hand? Exactly. What? Yes.

These people would have been escorted out even if they stood up and screamed extremely positive things about Bush over and over at the top of their lungs.

Standing up and yelling when someone is giving a public address is not execising your freedom of speech, it's disturbing the peace. Pretty clear.

Somebody should arrange an Anti-Bush Flashmob, and storm all his public talks..
Would love to see 100 mimes miming "Impeach Him!", "Worst President Ever!" etc.

>> ^seltar:
Somebody should arrange an Anti-Bush Flashmob, and storm all his public talks..
Would love to see 100 mimes miming "Impeach Him!", "Worst President Ever!" etc.


MIMES!

Finally, good for something.

>> ^MarineGunrock:
Except that there's a difference between speaking your thoughts and being a disturbance. One is repectable and one makes you an ass.


If its not appropriate to dissent in a political forum where is it? Your democracy is an illusion, there are no political forums where the people actually have a real say in politics. That is what democracy is all about, not just one stupid vote.
The people that first rebelled against England in your country certainly disturbed the political visits of English royalty... To dispel dissent is to dispel the foundations of the country and the freedoms you now enjoy.

What part of my sentence contained the word "inappropriate"? Also, a speech is NOT a forum.

Forum: an assembly, meeting place, television program, etc., for the discussion of questions of public interest.

now what these people forgot is that Bush is holding the speaking stone, and whoever is holding it it's their turn to speak, I'm sure he'll pass it to the next person soon.

Again, freedom of speech does not mean freedom to interrupt someone's speech...

Why should we ignore that Bush is almost certainly a war criminal? Why should we allow him to have a nice, polite public forum to speak? Are we to just pretend that this is a man deserving of respect and quiet deference? In my opinion, this man should be shouted down anytime he shows his face in public. Hell, in my opinion this man should be tried for war crimes and held accountable for his actions.

Maybe someday...

"We believe in free speech in America."

*crowd cheers rabidly*

"Now get those dissenting assholes the fuck outta here."

>> ^budzos:
Again, freedom of speech does not mean freedom to interrupt someone's speech...


I agree on that point, but meanwhile McCain's security just threw out a librarian merely for holding a sign. Just to make a note of it.

freedom of speech does not mean freedom to interrupt someone's speech.

however...

democracy means you are allowed to shout at leaders who break their oath of office. in fact, democracy COMPELS you to shout at leaders who break their oath of office.

The ONLY logical time to do this is when they are trying to spew more lies from a pulpit.

this isn't freedom of speech, this is CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE.

go look it up, retards. Google Rosa Parks or something, or maybe you think she should have sat quietly in the correct place on the bus and written a strongly worded letter to her representative in congress?

>> ^MarineGunrock:
Except that there's a difference between speaking your thoughts and being a disturbance. One is repectable and one makes you an ass.


Whats worse? Being an ass? Or being a tyrant? Does their free speech bother you? WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.