Awesome find. Is part one around here anywhere?

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Good video, but I'll have to quibble:

1. Universality of belief in a supreme being is an outdated canard. Monotheism was not even in the majority until the ascendancy of Christianity and Islam.

2. There is insufficient evidence to confirm or deny a difference in average mental capability between races, because of confounding cultural and translation issues for any sort of standardized test.

If you want to succeed, you can't afford to be sloppy with the facts.

You know what, fuck you. You are a fucking racist.
You're saying that it's possible that some races are less intelligent than others, and that there isn't any evidence to disprove that.
You aren't clever and your attempt to disguise your racism is pathetic.

>> ^jwray:

Good video, but I'll have to quibble:
1. Universality of belief in a supreme being is an outdated canard. Monotheism was not even in the majority until the ascendancy of Christianity and Islam.
2. There is insufficient evidence to confirm or deny a difference in average mental capability between races, because of confounding cultural and translation issues for any sort of standardized test.
If you want to succeed, you can't afford to be sloppy with the facts.

Show me the evidence. You're making the moralistic fallacy.

Proposition P:

One should accept, without any evidence, that everyone is born with exactly the same abilities in every possible way.

Apparently the negation of P is racist?

And why should I take anybody seriously who has chosen to name himself Turd Burgler?

In summary, there is a gap in average SAT scores at all cross-sections of parents' socioeconomic status. Environmental factors give us reasonable doubt that this is due to any heritable difference, but one cannot yet prove that environmental factors are responsible for the whole gap.

The moralistic fallacy is the inverse of the naturalistic fallacy. It is a leap from "what ought to be" to "what is". It is admirable to have moral convictions that it is right to treat all people equally and fairly. But if these moral convictions in any way influence your interpretation of the available evidence, you're making the moralistic fallacy.

Basically, I don't know and I don't care whether there is a difference in average group levels of some traits. Even if there were, there would be tons of overlap. I believe in equal rights and all that. But I'm not going to drink your cool-aid and make the leap to rabidly denying the existence of any difference in any average of any trait between various groups, without any evidence, just because I'm scared of what people would do if they believed the opposite. "What ought to be" should have no connection to reasoning about "what is".

>> ^jwray:

And why should I take anybody seriously who has chosen to name himself Turd Burgler?


Yeah, I hear ya. That's why you replied five times to my one post.
Well, I have some cotton to pick.
See ya later .. racist.

You're completely off your rocker.

And by the way, you're a nazi. Now we're even in the unfounded accusations department.

Gotta go chill on my plantation. See ya later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

^ Exactly. The American Psychological Association agrees with me.

>> ^jwray:

^ Exactly. The American Psychological Association agrees with me.


Well, in as much as that they don't know what the x-factors are either, yes. The fact that the IQ gap has been lessening with each passing year suggests that the factors are indeed environmental though. If it were a genetic deficiency, it would take generations, not years.

I think when you proposed that blacks were born with lesser ability is when burd decided you were a racist. I happen to think that a vast array of environmental factors affect the average performance of certain races on the standardized IQ tests.

IMO ones IQ "score" has less to do with ones innate ability to think, and more to do with ones ability to take a test.

I think when you proposed that blacks were born with lesser ability is when burd decided you were a racist.

I didn't "propose" it. I said there was insufficient evidence to come down on one side or the other. Of course a lot of the variation between groups is environmental. But how would you prove that all of it is environmental?

>> ^jwray:

Proposition P:
One should accept, without any evidence, that everyone is born with exactly the same abilities in every possible way.
Apparently the negation of P is racist?


Of course everyone isn't born with exactly the same abilities, individuals are all over the statistical map, but what you're insinuating here is that the IQ gap is caused by heritable differences set at birth, genetic traits that make certain races of people less intelligent than other races of people.

This is a racist concept, and feeds into all manner of nasty lines of thought. I don't think you're a racist, but I think you need to understand that how your words are internalized is just as important as how they are "meant".

Yes, there's an IQ gap. Yes, it is not fully explained by either environmental or heritable factors. However, I think this points more to weaknesses in our definition and understanding of intelligence, and that to begin to draw conclusions preemptively is a dangerous road.

The whole discussion about race and IQ is flawed because there is no scientific basis for the american concept of race (black, white, asian, mexican ), and because IQ testing is not science.