Downvote for the Heritage Foundation.
And because the woman's super-annoying voice completely drowns out whatever dopey point she's trying to make.

theo's path to enlightement:

Ignore any information that comes from a source that doesn't hate America, freedom and/or both.

Please - go away when you can make an intelligent argument.

"you hate America"..."you hate freedom"...what are you, a third-grader?

Excellent rebuttal theo. You set a fine example in how to make intelligent arguments... in both of your posts.

I thought I was quite clear:
1. The Heritage Foundation is a real piece-of-shit as far as "think tanks" go.
2. The woman's voice is annoying.
3. You can't express yourself far outside of meaningless right-wing catch phrases.

upvote for talking-point pissing contest.

Theo: ad hominem attacks prove nothing. I see where you're coming from, but that's not a valid argument.

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#hominem

There isn't much of anything I've said here that's untrue - if you want me to perform a little verbal ju-jitsu and change a word or two around so it's not expressly "ad hominem", sorry.
Sometimes people are just plain stupid and need to be called on it. peretz certainly didn't abide by any decent rules of debate by posting this video and making his responses.

But which points of Gabriel's speech do you disagree with here? "It is stupid" is the Beavis and/or Butthead response. Although Brigitte Gabriel is a battle-scarred veteran of the right-wing radio wingnut circuit, I don't think that she is entirely wrong here.

Radical Islam does indeed seem to be a cancer both in Islamic nations and in growing Islamic communities in Europe. I disagree with the overwrought apocalyptic language used by both Bush neocons like Gabriel and the jihadists. And I understand fully that preventative war is a synonym for sole source, high dollar defense contracting.

But I do believe that Europe will have to come to terms with the radicalization of its Islamic communities. Particularly since George Bush has adopted Christian Crusading as the default mode for his foreign policy. I prefer Hirsi Ali to Brigitte Gabriel, but this little diatribe was alright.

"But which points of Gabriel's speech do you disagree with here?" --> the point at which Heritage Foundation invited her to speak.
If the NRA or ACLU invited someone to speak, it wouldn't be just anyone off the street. So do I disagree with everything Heritage Foundation stands for and f-ks with in policy influencing, yes. Scaife et. al. are real scum. She is a partisan hack who represents a Christian, conservative think tank (ACfT)

"The difference between the Arabic world and Israel is a difference in values and character. It's barbarism versus civilization. It's democracy versus dictatorship. It's goodness versus evil." -- Duke University Counter Terrorism Speak-Out, October 14, 2004

Hmm, hard to disagree with that... The difference between this woman and Ann Coulter is.. well.. one's adam apple is bigger.

Now that is what I am talking about. Cites to the nutty Duke speech.

I won't defend Heritage because they cannot be honestly defended unless I fall into a Jesus Camp trance and twitch. However, since I do believe that terrorism is localized and not "the greatest threat to Western civilization since Man defeated Dinosaur" (most devoted Bushies believe that Man and Dinosaur co-existed due to the whole compressed Bible dating), I do believe that moderate Islam must have a role in confronting the extremists in their localities. If we would foment trade with these regions and stop carpet bombing, perhaps moderate Islam could afford it.

John Cameron Mitchell does pass as a woman better than Coulter. Both have an angry inch.

Okay, so this woman is obviously insane. Eurabia? Wow.

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