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Has Moyers ever had a show that taxpayers didn't have to pay for?

>> ^quantumushroom:

Has Moyers ever had a show that taxpayers didn't have to pay for?


Educating the public is important...it's why we have public schools.

Probably not, but do you notice how calm, reasoned and intelligent his show is? Why is it, do you think, that publicly funded media is so vastly superior to privately funded media? >> ^quantumushroom:

Has Moyers ever had a show that taxpayers didn't have to pay for?

>> ^quantumushroom:

Has Moyers ever had a show that taxpayers didn't have to pay for?


Absolutely right, qm.
Goes to show that taxpayers money can be well used for the betterment of the country.

>> ^Boise_Lib:

>> ^quantumushroom:
Has Moyers ever had a show that taxpayers didn't have to pay for?

Absolutely right, qm.
Goes to show that taxpayers money can be well used for the betterment of the country.


Whoa lets hold our horses...as far as I can see TV hasn't bettered our nation in any way shape or form. Also educating our public doesn't seem to be working...it just seems to be disenfranchising the smart so they don't vote anymore.

>> ^quantumushroom:

Has Moyers ever had a show that taxpayers didn't have to pay for?


Seriously. Where are all my blonde anchors with big tits!? This isn't news.

>> ^Yogi:

Whoa lets hold our horses...as far as I can see TV hasn't bettered our nation in any way shape or form. Also educating our public doesn't seem to be working...it just seems to be disenfranchising the smart so they don't vote anymore.


How do you reckon it's education which disenfranchises "the smart" so they don't vote? I would think that a corrupt two-party system with equally unattractive alternatives would be a bigger factor, for instance. Also, surely you can see SOME benefits of television compared to the fifties when it first started to become commonplace, if you stop and think about it for a second.

The common thread here is more information, knowledge and context, with perhaps focus being on the information part. If disenfranchisement is the result of getting better informed, then maybe it's time to do something about the object of that information? Perhaps making people part of the process and maybe even feel like their vote matters, as well as having something or someone worth voting on.

@Yogi & @Kreegath

The problem isn't the party system, the problem is that there are a lot of people out there who want the wrong things from the political system.

There's also a lot of so-called smart people who think the best way to be a citizen is to just gripe about how every politician sucks and declare all voting activity futile, rather than try to persuade as many people as possible to see things your way, and then vote the same way as you.

Actual informed people know that you shouldn't let the perfect become the enemy of the good, because elections always have consequences.

For all of you that chide Fox, Moyers's trumpeting shows are nothing close to being fair or balanced, he's a mirror for liberal vanity. At least Rush does his schtick on how own dime and creates wealth, which the Moyers's of the world then siphon away for who-knows-what.


>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

Probably not, but do you notice how calm, reasoned and intelligent his show is? Why is it, do you think, that publicly funded media is so vastly superior to privately funded media? >> ^quantumushroom:
Has Moyers ever had a show that taxpayers didn't have to pay for?

Actually, they're government schools, preaching the "value" of big, tyrannical government. Don't let these socialist conformity factories get in the way of your education.


>> ^Yogi:

>> ^quantumushroom:
Has Moyers ever had a show that taxpayers didn't have to pay for?

Educating the public is important...it's why we have public schools.

>> ^quantumushroom:

Actually, they're government schools, preaching the "value" of big, tyrannical government. Don't let these socialist conformity factories get in the way of your education.

>> ^Yogi:
>> ^quantumushroom:
Has Moyers ever had a show that taxpayers didn't have to pay for?

Educating the public is important...it's why we have public schools.



I was never preached to in any public school about the value of big government or even where the money to educate us was coming from. If anything it's the opposite I was educated that America is always in the right...whatever our leaders tell us that is reality. Work hard and join a corporation and remember buy LOTS and LOTS of stuff. My Economics class was also sponsored by fucking Levis and we got to do Levis-centric problems all the time.

So no you're just wrong about this as you are about mostly everything all the time. It would be something if you would make a good point when you're spewing bullshit but you never do...the world is always the opposite of how you think.

>> ^quantumushroom:

For all of you that chide Fox, Moyers's trumpeting shows are nothing close to being fair or balanced, he's a mirror for liberal vanity. At least Rush does his schtick on how own dime and creates wealth, which the Moyers's of the world then siphon away for who-knows-what.

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
Probably not, but do you notice how calm, reasoned and intelligent his show is? Why is it, do you think, that publicly funded media is so vastly superior to privately funded media? >> ^quantumushroom:
Has Moyers ever had a show that taxpayers didn't have to pay for?




One uses facts and respected intellectuals or authors. One is a guy with a microphone who is only there to make money.

>> ^Yogi:

One uses facts and respected intellectuals or authors. One is a guy with a microphone who is only there to make money.


Now, that's not fair. Limbaughs show serves a useful function. It allows us to easily identify idiots by listenership.

Bill Moyers is about as fair as you get when it comes to media. He definitely sees the world through a prism of liberal empathy, so I can see where you might find him unbalanced. Every newsperson and newswriter is biased towards what they believe to be true, and it's not really a problem so long as you are fair about it. The problem with FOX is not that it presents a far right perspective on the news, it's that they do it in such a dishonest way, and then call it 'fair and balanced.' Do you ever think how ridiculous it is that the phrase you choose to use so often 'fair and balanced' comes from the largest and sleaziest propoganda outfit in the history of the planet? >> ^quantumushroom:

For all of you that chide Fox, Moyers's trumpeting shows are nothing close to being fair or balanced, he's a mirror for liberal vanity. At least Rush does his schtick on how own dime and creates wealth, which the Moyers's of the world then siphon away for who-knows-what.

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
Probably not, but do you notice how calm, reasoned and intelligent his show is? Why is it, do you think, that publicly funded media is so vastly superior to privately funded media? >> ^quantumushroom:
Has Moyers ever had a show that taxpayers didn't have to pay for?

Haven't had a chance to watch the clip yet, but I just had to add my 2¢ on this. I wouldn't describe Moyers as liberal or fair. He's progressive and his shows are definitely agenda-driven. And that's a good thing, because he's really good at what he does. The difference between Moyers and someone like Limbaugh or Olbermann is this: Moyers has thoughtful discussions on important political and cultural topics with scholars and experts on the topic at hand, with rational, fact-based arguments (which are neither infallible nor unassailable) presented with great articulation; Limbaugh and his ilk instead offer screeching opinions based largely on emotion (usually fear and/or anger) with just enough facts laced in to make any outright lies or other deceptions believable. They're all just as motivated by an agenda as any other broadcaster. The difference is the usefulness of the content and the style with which it's presented.

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

Bill Moyers is about as fair as you get when it comes to media. He definitely sees the world through a prism of liberal empathy, so I can see where you might find him unbalanced. Every newsperson and newswriter is biased towards what they believe to be true, and it's not really a problem so long as you are fair about it. The problem with FOX is not that it presents a far right perspective on the news, it's that they do it in such a dishonest way, and then call it 'fair and balanced.' Do you ever think how ridiculous it is that the phrase you choose to use so often 'fair and balanced' comes from the largest and sleaziest propoganda outfit in the history of the planet? >> ^quantumushroom:
For all of you that chide Fox, Moyers's trumpeting shows are nothing close to being fair or balanced, he's a mirror for liberal vanity. At least Rush does his schtick on how own dime and creates wealth, which the Moyers's of the world then siphon away for who-knows-what.>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
Probably not, but do you notice how calm, reasoned and intelligent his show is? Why is it, do you think, that publicly funded media is so vastly superior to privately funded media? >> ^quantumushroom:
Has Moyers ever had a show that taxpayers didn't have to pay for?