Clearly the handgun ban in England is effective.

This is a perfect video to start a "What if the citizens where allowed to protect themselves" debate.
I know that our governments want us to beleive that the best defense is to cower, but I think a sidearm might come in handy in a situation like this.
Do you notice that the "failure to comply" penalty is the same whether it is administered from a cop or a criminal? They will use their weapons against us.
It's time to bow down or fight back, to both of these gangs of thugs.

>> ^MarineGunrock:
Clearly the handgun ban in England is effective.


Because if it's not effective in one individual case then it has had zero effect overall.

Outcome with gunlaws:

1 gun, 0 dead, 2 injured, money gone

Outcome with lax gunlaws:
2 guns, 1-3 dead, 2-5 injured, money likely still gone

.... any questions?

the dumb thing is alot of the guns used are converted guns from ones that arnt meant to be fired. So in reality the handgun ban if anything, isnt strict enough.

>> ^MSeven:
Outcome with gunlaws:
1 gun, 0 dead, 2 injured, money gone
Outcome with lax gunlaws:
2 guns, 1-3 dead, 2-5 injured, money likely still gone
.... any questions?


Yeah, one question. Where did you get your empirical data?

People have a right to defend themselves. When guns are involved, you usually need guns for that.

*british

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>> ^gtjwkq:
People have a right to defend themselves. When guns are involved, you usually need guns for that.


It sucks that they were victimized and all but nobody was killed. If they all had guns I think it's fair to say the chances of somebody dying would go up.... unless maybe the store owners were ex-military or something and knew how to behave in a gunfight.

>> ^MarineGunrock:
Clearly the handgun ban in England is effective.


It was almost effective. Out of the three thieves they could only manage one gun and two jerks with little camping axes. No gun and they would've overpowered the other two.

I think we're missing the biggest point, that the burglars knew no one in there would have a gun, so by the numbers it's easy to assume an easy take over. If they thought everyone might be armed with a weapon, do you think they would've even attempted to enter in the first place? Probably not.

So these arguments that claim "if these people had guns to defend themselves then certainly people would've died" are irrelevant.