America is England's Fault

Well, who can argue?
Morganthsays...

I'm gonna step out here and defend the Puritans. In the early 17th century the Puritans in England were not happy with the Church of England (which they were a part of at the time). They saw that its reformation had not gone far enough, meaning, it was still way too close to Catholicism. Above all else, Puritans despised Catholicism, the Pope, and everything the Catholic Church did and they didn't want the Church of England to be anything close to it. When they tried to further the reforms within the Church of England, they were blocked. Though protestant, King James I refused to allow the reforms and told the Hampton Court that he preferred the status quo and that the monarch should rule the church through the bishops. The Puritans felt alienated by this move. In 1625, Charles I became king and he tried to dissolve Parliament entirely to neutralize his enemies, which included plenty of Puritans. This, coupled with the Thirty-Years War (Catholics vs. Protestants), which had over 8 million casualties, now being in full-swing prompted the Puritans to flee to the New World.

The Puritans weren't trying to establish a religiously free society. Roger Williams, who wanted separation of Church & State, was banished and founded Rhode Island. However, the Puritans did want their own society where they weren't underneath the authority of the monarch, the Church of England and where they didn't fear for their lives because of what they believed.

DerHasisttotsays...

Having had to study Puritans, reading 1000+ pages of and about Puritans, written a paper, tests, and passing two oral exams involving Puritans, I think I can say with a measure of informed certainty that Puritans are in essence what we call today right-wing fundamentalist fascists.
They were persecuted for what they believed because they wanted to make it the standard; and what they believed was idiotic. For example, one woman drowned her child because it became unbearable to her to not know if she was going to heaven or hell, wanting the certainty of hell, which technically wasn't even certain for her under puritan belief even after the murder. If even other 17th-century christians don't want anything to do with your ideas, your ideas aren't good.

And if I have to read one more text about "grace vs. works" I'm gonna cut a bitch (figuratively).

direpicklesays...

>> ^DerHasisttot:

Having had to study Puritans, reading 1000+ pages of and about Puritans, written a paper, tests, and passing two oral exams involving Puritans, I think I can say with a measure of informed certainty that Puritans are in essence what we call today right-wing fundamentalist fascists.
They were persecuted for what they believed because they wanted to make it the standard; and what they believed was idiotic. For example, one woman drowned her child because it became unbearable to her to not know if she was going to heaven or hell, wanting the certainty of hell, which technically wasn't even certain for her under puritan belief even after the murder. If even other 17th-century christians don't want anything to do with your ideas, your ideas aren't good.
And if I have to read one more text about "grace vs. works" I'm gonna cut a bitch (figuratively).


Grace taste!

Works filling!

DerHasisttotsays...

>> ^direpickle:

>> ^DerHasisttot:
Having had to study Puritans, reading 1000+ pages of and about Puritans, written a paper, tests, and passing two oral exams involving Puritans, I think I can say with a measure of informed certainty that Puritans are in essence what we call today right-wing fundamentalist fascists.
They were persecuted for what they believed because they wanted to make it the standard; and what they believed was idiotic. For example, one woman drowned her child because it became unbearable to her to not know if she was going to heaven or hell, wanting the certainty of hell, which technically wasn't even certain for her under puritan belief even after the murder. If even other 17th-century christians don't want anything to do with your ideas, your ideas aren't good.
And if I have to read one more text about "grace vs. works" I'm gonna cut a bitch (figuratively).

Grace taste!
Works filling!


*Not sure* *slighty scratches a bitch*

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